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Why do Drake stans feel so threatened by J. Cole?


 Why do Drake stans feel so threatened by J. Cole?
 02-15-2013, 06:35 PMaway - #41
Kreemy
Originally Posted by Retro
Warning, extra long post ahead...


...I knew you'd play this card & quite honest I'm a little disappointed in your lack luster effort thus far. Cole has never displayed acutely emotive inflection enough for you to rely on it for illustrative purposes. He's always relied on his lyrics. Kendrick Lamar doesn't inflect, he uses other mechanisms to draw emotion -- yet he's the only one who can "pose a threat" to Drake right? Hell Jay-Z doesn't even inflect. You've got this double standard in which you rate Cole but don't want to attribute those same standards from the artists you claim to like the most. That's not how it works...


...And I knew you'd play this weak "evolution" card also, you tried to do the same thing with K.R.I.T.

Explain to me why it's ok for Drake to be the same artist that has "found his footing" for the past 3 projects yet no one else can do the same. Again you got on K.R.I.T. for not hearing anything "new" from him over his last 3 mixtapes & now it's Cole's fault that he found his most comfortable & successful lane. Once again it's a double standard in which you hold Drake compared to the other two.

And you're wrong about Cole being the same emcee since The Come Up. Similar topics? Yes, & every single artist you listen to has their bread & butter topics they rely on. With Jay he uses the same !! 70% of the time. But similar emcee skills? Hell no. Cole on Friday Night Lights made songs he didn't (not saying he couldn't) make on The Warm Up or Come Up. Just because there aren't drastic changes to an artist's repertoire that does not mean they've been the same artist. It's like you expect incredibly ambitious leaps & bounds between an artist's projects in order to notice the distinctions. That's not Cole nor K.R.I.T.'s fault that you can't do it -- that's yours.



Interesting choice of songs to compare but...

Drake's been on that braggadocio wave, he was just less lazy with it on CS.

To Cole sounding like the same emcee for 3 years...aren't you angry at him for switching it up in the first place? I digress on that point let's get down to the real !!: we're going to act like Warm Up wasn't less about social commentary & Cole's ascension for the crown? That him being Grown Simba now as the prelude to greatness?

To now on Friday Night Lights where emotional appeal is much more heavily involved & less selfish lyrically. To where storytelling takes place to the emotional strength of a 2 Face. To where social commentary is much more of a focal point with See World, Cost Me A Lot & Enchanted.

Yeah, Cole was still on that come up mentality ALL through Friday Night Lights. Stop it, you know better than this...



This is what's confirming what I've been thinking this entire time. It's not as if you're rooting against Cole but given the material he's released since Cole World & the fact that you still claim you're unimpressed shows why it's really hard to see whether or not you're rooting for Cole.

The only reason you've listed for being unimpressed is something you shouldn't come to expect from Cole in the first place yet there's all of a sudden a new standard of rules in which you critique him, almost as if you don't want him to go back to his old self so you won't trivialize everything you've said to this point...



...That explains all of this then, the Drake from 6 years prior is unfamiliar territory for you. And no, revisiting it after you'd already been accustomed to hearing post SFG Drake wouldn't yield the same reactions had you been on the wave since 07. It's easier to like Drake now, he makes better music. But as an emcee, post a poll and see from Drake fans who have been fans longer than a year or two which Drake was better: TC or CS. It's pretty obvious...


Seems to be a recurring theme with you, harping on side points & ignoring the focal points of the counterarguments presented to you. I hate repeating myself so let the emcee angle go. I've already said far too many times for it to not click that he's a better technical emcee now. That's NOT the point.


I like how you're using 2 singles to say that CW:SS was only his singles. As if Lost Ones, Rise & Shine, and God's Gift aren't on the LP. Let me guess, he didn't inflect enough for you to enjoy those either...
I didn't specify voice inflections, didn't even say he needed 2Pac emotion. Jay-Z has his own technique for drawing personality to his words, in terms of swagger alone most would agree Jay is top 5 in that department. Kendrick's experimented a bit with voice inflections which you should already know, along with his hunger (which is slowly disappearing if his recent verses are any indication for the future...) but that's beyond the point right now. I heavily !!ed with Cole in 09 because his hunger stood out to me, his delivery sounded raw and flow was extra nice on songs like World Is Empty and Heartache. Now whenever I hear a verse by him he sounds laid back and bored, sorta like Curren$y atm, except with more bland production. If he's going to follow the same road and not even do it as nice, I see no reason to listen to his new music.

Are you implying TML and TC are the same? Change in cadence, flow and swag. Completely dropped his punchline flow and studied Andre 3000's to better himself as an emcee. Just to get this out of the way, I'm very impessed with KRIT's recent verses and excited for his next mixtape. He hasn't progressed as an artist but he sounds hungry enough to put out more great music with improved rapping as displayed on 1Train and Underground Airplay. Cole doesn't impress me under any facet right now, in comparison to all the new emcees with large fan bases, I'd put him dead last.

I'm not saying rapping Cole being a similar emcee to when he blew up is bad.. I brought that up because you tried to draw the comparison to Drake which is a different story and already explained with my last reply.

The Motto is one of the few exceptions where he does dumb down his lyricism for the airwaves, but once again in comparison to Cole, he does it much better. Better flow, more swag, the lines are catchier, etc. He's more comfortable doing this lane than Cole.

Refer to the 3rd paragraph..

I'd root for any popular emcee to make good music, if he makes music that interests me again then I won't front on it. Drake did it and that's why I'm writing all of this. If you ask me, I'd love to hear him over new production and bring something exciting to the table. I almost forgot about Get Free ColeWorld which was dope, the new single didn't give me that feeling sadly. I'm a fan of creativity and progression, most my favorite artists are examples of that (I listen to Jay-Z for different reasons in case you want to bring that up).

That's when I really started enjoying his music, I'd already known Drake from Wayne songs and his VMA shoutout in 2008. As an emcee he's just a different dude now, less punchline oriented with less rhyme schemes in place the Drake we have today. I've seen you defend Kanye as an emcee regardless of him not containing these technical aspects. There's that 'it' factor some rappers have which gives them a long career in the mainstream. Drake has that right now, they can sense his persona through his words which gave him the career he has today. You don't go double plat these days by making hits (B.o.B., Flo Rida). Even if we dismiss all of that, isn't making good music the prime objective regardless?

I was using his singles because we were on the topic of dumbing down. No idea why you'd bring up God's Gift, that second verse is a complete waste of the beat.
 02-15-2013, 06:44 PMaway - #42
Ghost Writer
I wish I had time to read some of these posts. It looks like this actually turned into a legit hip hop discussion. Thought it was gonna spiral into a troll fest.

I'll say one thing, I read some of the shorter posts and you guys are tripping fif you think its the opposite. Cole is possibly my favorite rapper and I like Drake a lot too. It seems to be similar for most of my boys who are mainly Cole fans.

However, every time I see a Drake fan speak or post they have Cole's name in their mouth and 9 times outta 10 its some hoe !!.
 02-15-2013, 07:34 PMonline - #43
Sir Bangz
I don't get this either. Cause to me their two totally different artist and are good at what they do.

Can't to artist be good and co-exist without being compared.

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 02-15-2013, 08:18 PMaway - #44
Satire
Originally Posted by clipse_designz
^ well this proves nas stans definitely feel threatened by jay-z, you don't even need to bring up his name [pic]
^ well this proves jay stans definitely feel threatened by nas, you can't even bring up a fact without it being turned around on you. [pic]

Nah but honestly, you see way more Jay stans bringing up Nas' name and problems they have with him than you see Nas stans bring up Jay's name
Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
Yeah but a lot of "Jay Stans" And "Nas Stans" like both artists. Drake stans literally are scare to like J. Cole.

Not to mention, that even if they did feel threatened it makes more sense because they were actually beefing.

Cole and Drake are cool with each other and Drake fans are still shook.
Yeah you right about that, but like somebody said in the thread, in real life, they typically have the same exact fan base
 02-15-2013, 08:31 PMaway - #45
J
Drake fans don't give a !! about J Cole [pic]


It's the J Cole fans that are threatened by Drake. [pic]


OP lost. [pic]
 02-15-2013, 09:46 PMaway - #46
J.Shykes
To be honest, most people I know like both artists.
 02-15-2013, 11:01 PMonline - #47
WCIB
Originally Posted by J.Shykes
To be honest, most people I know like both artists.
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 02-15-2013, 11:44 PMaway - #48
GameTheory
I really CAN NOT believe that anyone is impressed with J Cole. I seriously can't fathom it. Like you must not listen to rap music regularly or you're new to rap in general.

The guy is incredibly average.

I don't mean to hate on the guy, but I'm utterly bewildered that someone can find him impressive and even further entertaining.
 02-15-2013, 11:48 PMaway - #49
norcal925
Originally Posted by GameTheory
I really CAN NOT believe that anyone is impressed with J Cole. I seriously can't fathom it. Like you must not listen to rap music regularly or you're new to rap in general.

The guy is incredibly average.

I don't mean to hate on the guy, but I'm utterly bewildered that someone can find him impressive and even further entertaining.
Coming from the dude that said Big Sean was underrated [pic]


Why dont you explain to us what a foursome is again [pic]
 02-16-2013, 12:08 AMaway - #50
Mavs In 4
Drake stans win again [pic]
 02-16-2013, 12:45 AMaway - #51
GameTheory
Originally Posted by norcal925
Coming from the dude that said Big Sean was underrated [pic]


Why dont you explain to us what a foursome is again [pic]
Big Sean IS underrated in my eyes.

Tell me who is putting words together like how he did in "Show Out" with Young Jeezy?

That was pure creativity.
 02-16-2013, 07:38 AMonline - #52
Dee352
Originally Posted by norcal925
Coming from the dude that said Big Sean was underrated [pic]


Why dont you explain to us what a foursome is again [pic]
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 02-16-2013, 12:01 PMaway - #53
Ghost Writer
Originally Posted by GameTheory
I really CAN NOT believe that anyone is impressed with J Cole. I seriously can't fathom it. Like you must not listen to rap music regularly or you're new to rap in general.

The guy is incredibly average.

I don't mean to hate on the guy, but I'm utterly bewildered that someone can find him impressive and even further entertaining.
I've been listening to rap music for almost 20 years now. I'm a fan of lyricism first and all the other bull!! last. Now let me say that it honestly bewilders me to find that anyone without a predisposed bias could listen to Cole and not see the true lyrical talent he has.

If you think he is average or his music is boring you just don't have an ear for lyricism plain and simple. Not hating either. Some people listen to rap music for everything but the lyrics. My 14 year old little cousin told me today that he only listens to rap music for the beats. I was mad but at the same time I just brushed it off. He also thinks J Cole sucks and his favorite rapper is Wiz Khalifa. Not old Wiz (he's never even heard Kush and OJ) but new Wiz.

J Cole, because I'm a fan of lyricism first, is the most entertaining rapper out there to me. Some people are just entertained by different things.
 02-16-2013, 12:06 PMonline - #54
tonystarks21
I honestly wanted j.cole to win with his next album and songs that he releases because I feel sorry for the nicca. He basically lost all of his buzz, no one was checking for him, no one was bumping his music he fel the !! off. No way do I feel threaten by J.cole. I know for a fact that drake is just a superior rapper/artist. He's just lightyears ahead of j.cole its not even funny. Just from mic presence, flow, delivery, vocals, lyrics, songwriting ability, stage presence, impact on the game, innovative, status. It's not even close drake is on a totally different level than J.cole. Drake is well on his way in becoming a legend when you have other legends praising you like Rev Run talking about how drake is the realest rapper out and he made a change in rap music this just solidifies my point.


I hope J.cole becomes more successful but he has a lot of catching up to do.


and J.cole has so many bad punchlines. Drizzy rarely has any bad lines he doesn't rely on punchlines for good lyrics. J.cole has way more bad lines than Drake... J.cole is honestly more hit or miss. Drake has consistenly been putting out great music for the last 5 years. He rarely has a bad song and the general hiphop audience will agree with this.

Last edited by tonystarks21; 02-16-2013 at 12:09 PM..
 02-16-2013, 02:10 PMaway - #55
GangGreen227
Originally Posted by GameTheory
Big Sean IS underrated in my eyes.

Tell me who is putting words together like how he did in "Show Out" with Young Jeezy?

That was pure creativity
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