Nas' Ghostwriting Controversy And How Social Media Has Ruined Journalism

You're talking in circles and avoiding the topic at hand again. And you're putting words in my mouth. Short and quick lies? Wtf? You're the only one crying cover up. You simply calling it a cover up doesn't make it so. Both me and abstractq have both said multiple times that anything is possible, yet you're very quick to point out you haven't called anyone a liar and we have.

Let's get into simple English here. The entire coversation started off with you saying 'I believe Dream Hampton.' Simply saying 'believe' means you don't believe the other party involved. You've been calling Nas, Stic and Jay Electronica liars from the beginning. Calling something a cover up infers that too. You said you don't need facts to believe anything. Well, the facts are she's all alone in this one. And so are you. Your response to everything is some retarded conspiratorial bull!! that only YOU are making up. Dream Hampton hasn't said any of the !! you have. So who's the one making[..]umptions here? I haven't made one that isn't backed up by credible sources. All your !! is heresay.

The topic at hand is what? I'm crying cover up? Look, I'm pointing out or attempting to articulate that neither side is more credible than the other. I don't understand why you are having a difficult time comprehending this.

I haven't called anyone anything. I'm saying the door is wide open for inturpretation on both sides. Just because I believe in what Hampton says does not mean it is true. Just like in what you believe does not make what Stic. Man and Electronica are saying true either.

Why you can't leave it at that just shows how ignorant you are of critical thinking. Either that or you just have a !!load of foolish pride and won't admit that I'm right.

Me saying multiple times that anything is possible just means you can't read. And there you go contradicting yourself again... Everything is left up to interpretation, yet I have to admit you're right? Right about what? I thought neither side was right or wrong? Left up to interpretation or YOUR interpretation? Just caught you in your little circles again. Looks like my critical thinking skills are just fine smart guy.

So you're saying I'm right then? That's all I'm gathering from this. According to you and me anything is possible, so in esensse, you're saying it's possible Stic.Man and Jay are telling the truth and that cover ups are created by the intellectually challenged who say they don't need proof to believe things right?

No?

Honestly, I've been repeating myself this entire thread, so if you somehow believe you're right all of a sudden... that's a personal problem.

So when proof is put before you, you still believe her?

You're taking someone's word, who has no evidence, as truth.

I've seen your posts and your opinion of Nas is CLEARLY slanted the other way

The burden of proof lies with her! You're ignoring firsthand accounts of Stic who was directly involved with the project.

If there was/is a smoking gun of audio with Stic.Man and Jay Electronica demoing for Nas, why haven't they surfaced? She claims to have heard them. So she's the only one? I highly doubt that.

Nice edit on your post prior to this one. Don't think I didn't notice.

But yeah repeating yourself as in... Talking in circles? Yes you ARE right about that. Finally, something we can agree on.

I'm not ignoring anything. Just because Stic was directly involved with the project does not disprove the original claim.

There's questions that you refuse to acknowledge or just haven't objectively considered.

If someone is being accused as a ghostwriter, what advantages does that person have by admitting it?

Are there any well known ghostwriters who openly admit who they have written songs or composed reference tracks for?

If not, then why is that the case?

I believe Stic has a reputation to protect, to show that anything in the form of ghostwriting or other matters that are confidential, he will not disclose. I think most of us believe that having anyone write your material is frowned upon in Hip-Hop, so this is understandable.

So, once again... I'm not ignoring what Stic is saying. Honestly, I would expect this from him.

If he really wanted to dead all of this on the spot, or if he had the power to... he would drop video footage. If he doesn't have it, then fine. The whole thing goes unresolved.

Also, just because everyone (which is like who? 3 people?) have similar stories, does not mean that they could all be lying. History has proven this. This isn't something that's completely unique here.

I see what you're trying to say with the whole "if she said this"... angle..but the fact of the matter is...she didn't. Her reputation in this industry goes as far back as Nas, Stic.man, Jay-Z, longer than Electronica... and so on. She's just as credible as a source, as Nas is when it comes to being a top 5 lyricist of all time.

You know what I'm talking about, E.G THE IRS NAS THREAD,
btw I've noticed you cosign anything that says negatives things about nas

Why do u think it's more plausible that Nas,Jay, and Sticman are all lying and that Dream Hampton is telling the truth or is correct in her[..]umption that what she heard in reference tracks are indeed proof of ghostwriting.

After all their might be a reason for this and still doesnt outright prove Nas didnt write the tracks. Right?

She said she heard 6 reference songs but didnt elaborate on the details.
Are these Whole entire songs, Verses, Hooks etc.?
She didnt say.

The burden of proof falls on her. Does she have these reference tracks in her possession?
Can we confirm that they Exist?

Ive noticed that too about Hovi Bryant.

Not to mention those are both ppl Nas Dissed.

Somehow, you're right after all of this?

The firsthand account of Stic. Man is proof? The fact that Dream Hampton doesn't have any is also proof? I think I've repeated that both sides don't have any in every post, yet in the end...you were always right?

Mentally, something is missing with you.

You got a bunch of stans and haters quick to take sides...bloggers and news sites using whatever quotes they can get to generate hits... man it's ugly.

All of this with nothing concrete. So, really it's a non issue. I'm just disgusted with Nas' fans, haters alike...and Dream Hampton's ignorance of her actions. Because I believe she's telling the truth. The fact of the matter, you can't say !! like that without evidence.

No, I didn't contradict myself.

I don't need proof to believe in anything.

It doesn't seem like a stretch at all. Given the fact that the artist were talking about is Nas... At first glance it looks like a big stretch, but in the reality of this industry, nothing really is.

When I said I believe Dream is telling the truth, it's based on numerous reasons.

You don't need proof to believe in what someone says. I think you, I, and pretty much anyone who has chosen a side has proved that much.

Just because more people share the same story or opinion, does not give more credibility. Regardless of the amount of detail.

Anyone can lie, short or elaborate. It's been done before.

There's only one fact in the matter of this: there's no proof on either side.

I haven't called anyone anything. I'm saying the door is wide open for inturpretation on both sides.

Why? What ghostwriter do you know names their clients? That's the first reason why I believe Dream.

Secondly, as from what I can understand, Dream has no current projects. So why would she do this for attention? Could she be doing this out of spite? Is there any history of her acting this way? Such possibilities are shaky at best. Combined with her history of being an insider within the Hip-Hop community, gives me reason to believe Dream.

Third, nothing surprises me within the entertainment, sports, and political worlds. Dream isn't the first whistle-blower and certainly isn't the last. That's my third reason for believing her.

So, once again...I believe what she's saying, but I can't pass it off as the truth to anyone else. Which some of you believe I'm doing. That's not how society works here, but sadly that's how most of us perceive !! anyway.

So just like there isn't any reference tapes to prove she's right, there isn't any video or audio or any other means of proving Stic. Man correct either. It goes both ways. As long as you understand that, I don't care who you choose to believe. It doesn't take away from who Nas is.

Did this guy just wake up from a coma? 'Investigative journalism' is an antiquated facet of 'old media'. These days, information is provided to the public raw, unprocessed; universally, not just in Hip-Hop. There are many new problems that arise with the evolution of media, but exposure of conspiracy and industry secrets is not one of them.

When FWMJ got a phone-call that shattered his respect for his favourite artist and subsequently decided to publicise his thoughts on the issue before investigating the validity of the information he had been given, his conjecture became public, for better or worse. For me, conjecture is better than deceit. Journalists who hold back information because it's "off the record" lack integrity, because journalism should be about informing the masses at best - and providing facts without context at worst, not being a puppet of a PR machine.

in·teg·ri·ty/inˈtegritē/
Noun:
The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.

So telling the public only what the industry wants them to hear so that you get greater access to juicier sources is your definition of journalistic integrity? As far as I'm concerned, that's the definition of corruption.

cor·rup·tion/kəˈrəpSHən/
Noun:
Dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.

look at what you've said here. You say that you believe her. You believe she's telling the truth. You've gone out of your way to say that you have numerous reasons why you believe her, yet you haven't mentioned any reasons why Stic.Man and Jay Electronica AREN'T lying. you claim you can see both sides, yet you were very quick to point out that Stic.Man and Jay have every reason to lie did you not? i can agree with that, except for the fact that you said that it's possible Dream is lying too. Did you not say that anyone can lie? so why did you get offended when i called her a liar? i'm only reiterating what you yourself said, correct?

i believe that Stic and Jay are telling the truth. you refuse to acknowledge my side of the argument yet, you ignore every time i said that anything is possible, which acknowledges your side might be true. Jay and Stic go into incredible detail of how the recording/producing sessions went. so it goes from lying to complete story telling? they ghostwrote entire songs for Untitled and allowed Nas to not give them the credit they deserve? who's stretching things here? don't forget that this happened 4 years ago.... why the !! is she bringing up now, just as Nas is enjoying this success? quite the coincidence. no?

back to the topic though. yes she MIGHT be telling the truth. but so can stic, jay and nas.

every point that's been made counter to yours have been given the reply by you, 'hey, everyone lies. just because they SAY it doesn't mean it's true.' yeah no !!. you simply saying that doesn't take anything away from Stic and Jay's statements vehemently denying the accusations.

you say you don't need proof to believe anything? well that's clear. you let one tweet give credence to what's essentially unsubstantiated bull!! and yet, i'm the one who has critical thinking problems? just because the majority says something is true doesn't make it so, right?

so what does one person saying something that she hasn't/can't back up tell you? anyone can lie right? you need proof to say something as fact which is what she did. she didn't say "oh i heard this from someone..." NO. she said she heard the demos and that she knew for a fact this happened.

so you need proof. where is it? you lost for stating that you don't need proof. anyone can believe that the earth is going to end tomorrow, but two days from now, when you're still alive, the person that made that claim is going to be called an idiot. you're the idiot as of now until she brings something feasible to the table. that is all.

Yeah but these arent really ghost writers . There actual rappers that put out albums. Its not like their livelihood is at stake. Sticman and Jay Elect are not some ghostwriters that are behind the scenes that nobody has heard of, that dont put out their own albums and they could actually benefit from saying they wrote arguably Rap's best lyricist.

As to your second point. I could easily say what reason does Nas have to use Ghostwriters? His pen game has been celebrated for years.

You seem Incline to believe one person and their credibility over three.

Maybee your just cynical or a little bias.

Yeah, but...where's your proof of that?

Really, who's on record as a ghost writer with named clients on their resume? I don't know how the world of ghostwriting works besides whoever is caught is immediately frowned upon. Maybe it's like that for a reason? Images to protect, credibility to ensure? No?

These are questions that can't be answered by any of us, yet you go on.

Your logic is flawed. Making claims on top of unsubstantiated opinions and claims isn't getting you anywhere with me.

I haven't given any reasons as to why Stic. Man and Electronica could be telling the truth because you and others continue to suggest Hampton is in the wrong with no evidence either way. I think that much should be obvious.

On top of that, why should I? I'm not claiming they're liars or claiming that Dream is telling the truth. I gave my reasoning as to why I believe her, as Stic. Man and Elec have given their own reasons as to why you should believe them. Which has been repeated several times.

You really have no argument besides trying to claim that Stic. Man's response and Hampton's lack of evidence is the end all be all. Where it went from there, it doesn't matter. You were wrong, and now you're dragging this into oblivion. Foolish.