Nas' Ghostwriting Controversy And How Social Media Has Ruined Journalism

That's why it's her word against everybody's now. As the saying goes, think before you speak. But I also understand why some may dismiss Dream. They're going to question her Jay Z connection. Who wouldn't. Jay has been connected to some of the bigger parts of her writing career. So it's easy for people to say, of course you'd throw Nas under the bus, Jay is low key paying you.

As far as the whole ghostwriter claims is concerned. Do I think Nas had flat out ghostwriters and didn't have a hand or diction in his own art? No. Do I think he had help crafting a lot of it? Yes, what artist doesn't. It depends on what you consider writing/ghostwriting. You can throw somebody one word and get a credit. Aside from substantial evidence, to what extent is it all?

No, I didn't contradict myself.

I don't need proof to believe in anything. You never asked my reasoning as to why I believe her. That response my lead to a contradictory answer, but no. It wouldn't in my case. I'll save you the time.

So when proof is put before you, you still believe her?

Yeah. You contradicted yourself.

That is not concrete evidence. That can still be refuted.

You can't be serious.

You're taking someone's word, who has no evidence, as truth. You say you believe her, yet you said that you can't say something like that without evidence REGARDLESS of what context you were using. So explain why won't you take the word of the people she spoke out of pocket on, Stic and Jay Electronica, as fact? Why would they lie? If it were me, I'd take my credit for contributing as Dream claimed I did to such a seminal work. Yet they VEHEMENTLY deny everything she's said... Why the !! would you believe a word she's said when, as Stic said in the link I provided, she was not even there? Ever.

She spoke out of pocket and nobody believes her except you.

But it's cool. You don't need proof to believe anything right?

When I said I believe Dream is telling the truth, it's based on numerous reasons. Even then, I know she could still be lying. A belief is not a fact, there's strong and weak beliefs based on what's out there to support it. It will always be theoretical without evidence.

With that said, you have no sense of critical thinking at all whatsoever. It's tragic.

In a nutshell, this entire thing is based on a he-said-she-said argument with NO proof at all. Your definition of the word proof is another man's statement which is no different from the original claim to begin with.

So, you can relax and stop trying to over think and making bs conclusions.

in·teg·ri·ty/inˈtegritē/
Noun:
The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.

So telling the public only what the industry wants them to hear so that you get greater access to juicier sources is your definition of journalistic integrity? As far as I'm concerned, that's the definition of corruption.

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Noun:
Dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.

Here's how I know I've been having a conversation with an idiot. The burden of proof lies with her! You're ignoring firsthand accounts of Stic who was directly involved with the project. She can say 2pac ghostwrote Untitled from the grave and we'd all call her an idiot, yet your response is there is 'no physical evidence she's lying'???

If the accuser makes a claim such as hers, then backs it up with nothing, while the people she accused all stick to the same story, WHICH SHE HERSELF CAN'T PROVE TO BE FALSE, nobody would even take her case in a court of law. She'd be a !!ing laughingstock. Just like you are. That's the last post I'll make towards you in this thread.

[pic] I remember used going back and forth Hovi Bryant 2 years ago, nicca hates Nas, I don't even bother with him because his a stubborn fool that's not open minded, [pic]

Here's how I know I've been having a conversation with an idiot. The burden of proof lies with her! You're ignoring firsthand accounts of Stic who was directly involved with the project. She can say 2pac ghostwrote Untitled from the grave and we'd all call her an idiot, yet your response is there is 'no physical evidence she's lying'???

If the accuser makes a claim such as hers, then backs it up with nothing, while the people she accused all stick to the same story, WHICH SHE HERSELF CAN'T PROVE TO BE FALSE, nobody would even take her case in a court of law. She'd be a !!ing laughingstock. Just like you are. That's the last post I'll make towards you in this thread.

Here's how I know I've been having a conversation with an idiot. The burden of proof lies with her! You're ignoring firsthand accounts of Stic who was directly involved with the project. She can say 2pac ghostwrote Untitled from the grave and we'd all call her an idiot, yet your response is there is 'no physical evidence she's lying'???

If the accuser makes a claim such as hers, then backs it up with nothing, while the people she accused all stick to the same story, WHICH SHE HERSELF CAN'T PROVE TO BE FALSE, nobody would even take her case in a court of law. She'd be a !!ing laughingstock. Just like you are. That's the last post I'll make towards you in this thread.

100% truth

the funny thing is, Hovi basically taking up a stance that unless Dream herself recants, he's gonna believe Nas had ghostwriters

Since everyone that was in the studio said it wasnt true, theres not much more to be done here. Not like Nas can provide a reference track to prove that it was him

Dream came out her face, she should have had somebody to back her up. If, not, i really dont see any reason to belive her unless youre just predisposed to be cynical or you always trust girls or some other illogical thing

Of course its witin the realm of feasibility that Stic, Jay are lying and nas really needed ghostwriting for the album. . .I wouldnt call it a likely outcome though

100% truth

the funny thing is, Hovi basically taking up a stance that unless Dream herself recants, he's gonna believe Nas had ghostwriters

Since everyone that was in the studio said it wasnt true, theres not much more to be done here. Not like Nas can provide a reference track to prove that it was him

Dream came out her face, she should have had somebody to back her up. If, not, i really dont see any reason to belive her unless youre just predisposed to be cynical or you always trust girls or some other illogical thing

Of course its witin the realm of feasibility that Stic, Jay are lying and nas really needed ghostwriting for the album. . .I wouldnt call it a likely outcome though

I hate Nas? Care to share any evidence of that?

You know what I'm talking about, E.G THE IRS NAS THREAD,
btw I've noticed you cosign anything that says negatives things about nas

Majority opinion does not replace factual evidence (which there is none of on either side). Mass cover up is always a possibility. Given the fact that Nas is considered to be the greatest lyricist ever, then it definitively seems worth it. There's a principle to protect that's greater than what Nas is. The very integrity of Hip-Hop itself would be compromised if Dream was proven to be correct.

I co-sign anything that's negative about Nas?

lol

The fact is that the only people that were there as eyewitnesses deny that they ghostwrote for Nas.

If you dont accept this, then in your mind there is no possibility for factual evidence on Nas side. . .you realize this right?

My basic point though is that you basically defaulting to the idea that Nas needed ghostwriters, cause Dream hasnt supported or proved anything. I dont know of any figure that has backed her up as of yet. If Dream is a legend like that, you'd think someone would vouch for her story. She cant possibly be the only person on the planet that heard these reference tracks that is willing to speak on it. . .

And if it turns out that reference tracks leak and Dream is correct, its not as big a deal as you making it. . .Untitled was that great lyrically

Now if it turns out that Mega wrote illmatic. . .