Lord Finesse Sues Mac Miller For $10 Million

07-10-2012, 10:22 PM

wasnt this nicca just selling his SP 1200 on ebay? nicca hurtin

07-10-2012, 10:24 PM

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10 mill for ruinin a classic

07-10-2012, 10:25 PM

10 Mill though [pic] Cmon man let Mac live....

07-10-2012, 10:29 PM

lol lord aint finna get nothing.

it was a free mixtape. if mac would of sold it it would of been different. as far as him claiming that song propelled his career, thats a lie. i dont even rmbr song...i just know this boy has been grinding

07-10-2012, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by AuthenticMade

Its not gonna get thrown out, and this is like the 6th case against him regarding that tape....he was selling that Tape on Itunes and amazon Mp3 at one point.

o well in that case, yea this nicca is gonna have to pay something in court to lord. i wonder why he would not ask a lawyer first. how this nicca think he could sample and not pay the rights holders. lol

are u sure the tape was for sale? cuz if it was then this nicca is gonna have mad lawsuits

07-10-2012, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by 2totimes

lol lord aint finna get nothing.

it was a free mixtape. if mac would of sold it it would of been different. as far as him claiming that song propelled his career, thats a lie. i dont even rmbr song...i just know this boy has been grinding

the biggest song from that tape was knock knock with either nikes on my feet or kool aid and frozen pizza being behind that.

what really propelled his career was donald trump

07-10-2012, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by ImInHerMouth

This nicca here has the nerve to talk about who didn't graduate high school while having no idea what the !! it is he's even mouthing off about. You think every nicca here is as dumb as you. Finesse has no case. He's using YouTube ads as a defense. He's way over his head and out of his element and used some hood lawyer cause no one with a lick of sense who has actually won cases would take this. And ten million dollars? I believe this same !! happened with LL or someone a couple years back. Nothing came of it. Sit the !! down and shut the !! up.

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your a !!in idiot for trying to come at me like that... DatPiff MADE MONEY OFF OF LORD FINESSES BEAT BC OF MAC MILLERS MIXTAPE!!! [pic]

your a !!ing Sped!!! pack my groceries !! nicca...

07-10-2012, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by otherside

i think you are forgetting some points that have already been made, Mac profited off Finesses track through DatPiff!!! Copy Writers can go after Any1 who profits, even if 99 Cents was made off a track...

Going after DatPiff as a distributer is different, since part of their Terms of Service agreement absolves them from any copyright violation that may arise from people uploading material they do not own the rights for. Even if they profit off of advertising through the download, they make it clear that they are an upload service and that the liability lies with the artist who uploads infringing material. If DatPiff was named, then it would be a landmark case, but Mac being named is not a landmark case at all - it has happened before and will happen again.

Originally Posted by ImInHerMouth

So any rapper that ever did a jackin for beats could be sued the !! out of right now? Bull!!. I remember Deadmau5 was !!ing at Nick Cannon for rapping over one if his tracks then proceeded to tell Nick that he "didnt know the business". I would lawyer up and take Lord Finesse's project apartment

Are you saying that Finesse could be sued by Mac? No. There is no case for that to happen.

And yes, any rapper that records over an instrumental who does not give proper credit to the right holder can potentially be sued, it is just that most rappers doing this who are worth suing either get permission or at least give credit to the right holder in the first place, making it nearly impossible to sue since it would be viewed as mutually beneficial - since if you have the right holder in the liner notes, then the courts will[..]ume that any promotion the artist gained was also given to the right holder. In this case, Mac did not do it legally. This is not some landmark case, stuff like this happens all the time, and is usually quickly settled out of court because Finesse really has a pretty open and shut case. What IS up to interpretation is the financial liability that Mac owes to him - in this case like all infringement cases you shoot for the moon and settle on pennies on the dollar so the infringer can avoid a costly legal battle and a possibly high settlement. This is just how the copyright game goes, and Mac really should have reached out to Finesse in the first place, or AT LEAST gave him proper credit. Why is it such a hard thing to give people credit for their instrumentals? Doesn't Finesse deserve to be credited? If I made a beat and someone went over it without even citing me legally in the liner, you better believe I would be suing them if they blew up and made a career off of my beat. That is only fair.

07-10-2012, 10:44 PM

Also you guys saying Finesse will get nothing are wrong - he will get SOMETHING, just not anywhere near 10 mil. To anyone who knows anything about copyright law, this is an open and shut infringement case, and the lawyer would not have even taken it up if it was a lost cause. People on here think they know more about copyright law than Finesse's copyright lawyer, but people can't even spell copyright correctly. Lawyers work on the front end for this sort of thing, so no lawyer worth his bar certification is going to work on a case he knows will get nothing from.

07-10-2012, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by KrugeR

Going after DatPiff as a distributer is different, since part of their Terms of Service agreement absolves them from any copyright violation that may arise from people uploading material they do not own the rights for. Even if they profit off of advertising through the download, they make it clear that they are an upload service and that the liability lies with the artist who uploads infringing material. If DatPiff was named, then it would be a landmark case, but Mac being named is not a landmark case at all - it has happened before and will happen again.

if you read my post that you quoted you will see that i said Mac profited off DatPiff... Mac made money off that Mixtape, niccas shouldn't be bull!!ing on here covering Miller

10:55 PM

Originally Posted by KrugeR

Also you guys saying Finesse will get nothing are wrong - he will get SOMETHING, just not anywhere near 10 mil. To anyone who knows anything about copyright law, this is an open and shut infringement case, and the lawyer would not have even taken it up if it was a lost cause. People on here think they know more about copyright law than Finesse's copyright lawyer, but people can't even spell copyright correctly. Lawyers work on the front end for this sort of thing, so no lawyer worth his bar certification is going to work on a case he knows will get nothing from.

mannnnnnnnnnn stfu

He dont own the rights to the sample, the song wasn't on an official release, and he cant prove there was money made off the song.

HE AINT GETTIN !!!

!! I remember when kevin federline did a track that sampled "she blinded me with science", got millions of plays on myspace.. was performin it and got sued by the actual artist who owned the rights to the track .

and guess what?? HE AINT GET !! either... all they did was make him take it off his myspace/youtube

07-10-2012, 10:47 PM

so wait hold up, he suing him cuz he performed it in a concert in which he benifited $$$ right?

also its alright to use other niccas beats on mixtapes right? as long as u dont make profit off of it?

07-10-2012, 10:48 PM

BTW the Finesse sample is Oscar Peterson - Dream of You

07-10-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by otherside

if you read my post that you quoted you will see that i said Mac profited off DatPiff... Mac made money off that Mixtape, niccas shouldn't be bull!!ing on here covering Miller

I thought you said DatPiff profited off of it

Originally Posted by I-NeeD-$$$

mannnnnnnnnnn stfu

He dont own the rights to the sample, the song wasn't on an official release, and he cant prove there was money made off the song.

HE AINT GETTIN !!!

Actually, when you CLEAR a sample - in this case Oscar Peterson "Dream of You", and incorporate it into a new work, as long as you pay for clearance (WHICH FINESSE DID DO) then guess what? You now OWN all rights to the new work, including however you reworked that sample. RZA took advantage of this many times by sampling his own work and reworking samples, so he did not have to pay for clearance on the sample again, since he was sampling his work that had a cleared sample. Clearly you do not know the difference legally between a paid for and cleared sample and what Mac did. When you pay for clearance you DO own the rights for however you flipped the sample, since you paid for the rights, and if anyone takes your original work and infringes on it, it is YOUR WORK, not the original work. You don't know about how sample clearance works, clearly. Sit down.

07-10-2012, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelKnight

so wait hold up, he suing him cuz he performed it in a concert in which he benifited $$$ right?

also its alright to use other niccas beats on mixtapes right? as long as u dont make profit off of it?

no it sounds like he is suing him for just using the beat in the 1st place

07-10-2012, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by otherside

if you read my post that you quoted you will see that i said Mac profited off DatPiff... Mac made money off that Mixtape, niccas shouldn't be bull!!ing on here covering Miller

i thought datpiff's business practices was to get artists to pay them not the other way around

07-10-2012, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by KrugeR

I thought you said DatPiff profited off of it

Actually, when you CLEAR a sample - in this case Oscar Peterson "Dream of You", and incorporate it into a new work, as long as you pay for clearance (WHICH FINESSE DID DO) then guess what? You now OWN all rights to the new work, including however you reworked that sample. RZA took advantage of this many times by sampling his own work and reworking samples, so he did not have to pay for clearance on the sample again, since he was sampling his work that had a cleared sample. Clearly you do not know the difference legally between a paid for and cleared sample and what Mac did. When you pay for clearance you DO own the rights for however you flipped the sample, since you paid for the rights, and if anyone takes your original work and infringes on it, it is YOUR WORK, not the original work. You don't know about how sample clearance works, clearly. Sit down.

LOL ard yo... Im not goin back and forth wit ya think u know it all clown[..]...

Lord finesse is goin to take him to court and he's goin to get 10 mil... cool

07-10-2012, 11:00 PM

[pic] Cliff Po ft D-Dash & Lord Finesse - Hip 2 Da Game 2012 - YouTube

07-10-2012, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by justinjones

no it sounds like he is suing him for just using the beat in the 1st place

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finesse prolly felt millers version was gettin more attention than the og and that ppl actually thought it was macs beat

cuz damn, i mean niccas like jay, ye, etc could be suing niccas nonstop for using they beats

07-10-2012, 11:03 PM

LF broke as !!

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