Sep 19 - Iran ships arms, personnel to Syria via Iraq

By SpyDa - 09-19-2012, 02:05 PM - Boxden > BX Daily Bugle - news and headlines

(Reuters) - Iran has been using civilian aircraft to fly military personnel and large quantities of weapons across Iraqi airspace to Syria to aid President Bashar al-Assad in his attempt to crush an 18-month uprising against his government, according to a Western intelligence report seen by Reuters.

Earlier this month, U.S. officials said they were questioning Iraq about Iranian flights in Iraqi airspace suspected of ferrying arms to[..]ad, a staunch Iranian ally. On Wednesday, U.S. Senator John Kerry threatened to review U.S. aid to Baghdad if it does not halt such overflights.

Iraq says it does not allow the passage of any weapons through its airspace. But an intelligence report obtained by Reuters says Iranian weapons have been flowing into Syria via Iraq in large quantities. Such transfers, the report says, are organized by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

"This is part of a revised Iranian modus operandi that U.S. officials have only recently addressed publicly, following previous statements to the contrary," said the report, a copy of which was provided by a U.N. diplomatic source.

"It also flies in the face of declarations by Iraqi officials," it said. "Planes are flying from Iran to Syria via Iraq on an almost daily basis, carrying IRGC (Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps) personnel and tens of tons of weapons to arm the Syrian security forces and militias fighting against the rebels."

Although the specific charges about Iraq allowing Iran to transfer arms to Damascus are not new, the intelligence report alleges that the extent of such shipments is far greater than has been publicly acknowledged, and much more systematic, thanks an agreement between senior Iraqi and Iranian officials.

Iraqi officials in Baghdad and New York did not have any immediate comment.

The issue of Iranian arms shipments to Syria came up repeatedly at a Senate hearing in Washington on Wednesday on the nomination of Robert Beecroft as the next U.S. ambassador to Baghdad. Beecroft is currently deputy chief of mission there.

John Kerry, the Democratic chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, asked Beecroft what the embassy was doing to persuade the Iraqis to prevent Iran from using their airspace for flights carrying weapons to Syria. Beecroft said that he and other U.S. officials made clear to Iraq the flights must stop.

U.S. THREAT TO REVIEW AID

Kerry said he was alarmed that U.S. efforts thus far had not persuaded Baghdad to halt the overflights, and suggested that the United States could in future make some of the hundreds of millions of dollars in[..]istance it gives to Iraq contingent on their cooperation on Syria.

"Maybe we should make some of our[..]istance or some of our support contingent on some kind of appropriate response," he said. "It just seems completely inappropriate that we're trying to help build democracy, support them, put American lives on the line, money into the country, and they're working against our interest so overtly."

The intelligence report, which Western diplomats said was credible and consistent with their information, said Iran had cut a deal with Iraq to use its airspace.

One envoy said it was possible that Tehran and Baghdad did not in fact have any formal agreement, only an informal understanding not to raise questions about possible arms transfers to Syria.

In comments published by Iranian media on Sunday, Mohammad Ali Jafari said members of the IRGC were providing non-military[..]istance in Syria and Lebanon. He added that Tehran might get involved militarily in Syria if its closest ally came under attack. A day later, however, Iran's foreign ministry denied those remarks.

Two Boeing 747 aircraft specifically mentioned in the intelligence report as being involved in Syria arms transfers - an Iran Air plane with the tail number EP-ICD and Mahan Air's EP-MNE - were among 117 aircraft hit with sanctions on Wednesday by the U.S. Treasury Department.

The Treasury Department also blacklisted aircraft operated by Iran's Yas Air for supplying Syria with weapons. A U.N. panel of experts that monitors compliance with U.N. sanctions against Iran has repeatedly named Yas Air, along with Iran Air, as supplier of arms to Syria.

The Treasury Department statement on the new blacklistings said the move would "make it easier for interested parties to keep track of this blocked property, and more difficult for Iran to use deceptive practices to try to evade sanctions."

The statement did not mention Iraq.

Earlier this year, the U.N. panel of experts recommended that Yas Air be put on the U.N. blacklist for helping Iran skirt a U.N. arms embargo. So far the Security Council has not taken any action on that recommendation.

The U.N. panel's reports have described Iranian arms shipments to Syria via Turkey, not Iraq.

The intelligence report said such transfers across Turkish airspace had ceased.

"Since Ankara adopted a firm position against Syria, and declared that it would intercept all weapons shipments sent to the[..]ad regime through Turkish territory or airspace, Tehran has all but completely stopped using this channel," it said.

Tehran is forbidden from selling weapons under a U.N. arms embargo, which is part of broader sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.

Earlier this month, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Syria's conflict had taken a brutal turn with other countries arming both sides, spreading misery and risking "unintended consequences as the fighting intensifies and spreads.

Exclusive: Western report: Iran ships arms, personnel to Syria via Iraq | Reuters

09-19-2012, 02:51 PM

Watch Iran be labeled "Terrorists supporters" for helping an ally.

09-19-2012, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Spiffy

Watch Iran be labeled "Terrorists supporters" for helping an ally.

Well, yes, genius.

Assad's regime is running around k!lling civilians in the double digits DAILY. But he's just sooo misunderstood, right?

The blood of innocents is beginning to clog up the sewers and the screams and cries for help by the poor people having their families k!lled off is making it hard for[..]ad to get a quiet night's rest. We should just leave the poor guy alone.

40+ Iranian soldiers who went into Syria to help[..]ad got kidnapped anyway, though. [pic]

09-19-2012, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by endless lies

Well, yes, genius.

Assad's regime is running around k!lling civilians in the double digits DAILY. But he's just sooo misunderstood, right?

The blood of innocents is beginning to clog up the sewers and the screams and cries for help by the poor people having their families k!lled off is making it hard for[..]ad to get a quiet night's rest. We should just leave the poor guy alone.

40+ Iranian soldiers who went into Syria to help[..]ad got kidnapped anyway, though. [pic]

So, what does that make the US for helping arm and train Al Qaeda back in the day, or supplying the egyptian military during the recent Revolution. Egyptian military had been k!lling civilians too [pic]

09-19-2012, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by kevante

So, what does that make the US for helping arm and train Al Qaeda back in the day, or supplying the egyptian military during the recent Revolution. Egyptian military had been k!lling civilians too [pic]

We aren't talking about the US. [pic]

09-19-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by endless lies

We aren't talking about the US. [pic]

Just wanted to know your opinion [pic]

IMO there are no "good guys" in this global struggle for power. In fact, in many peoples' eyes, the US is the biggest bully on the planet. It's very easy to say Iran is the "bad guy" in this, because almost everyone can be painted as the bad guy.

I just think this story, whether true or not, is another sign that conflict/war with Iran is coming. Most likely right around elections, but deff soon [pic]

09-19-2012, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by endless lies

Well, yes, genius.

Assad's regime is running around k!lling civilians in the double digits DAILY. But he's just sooo misunderstood, right?

The blood of innocents is beginning to clog up the sewers and the screams and cries for help by the poor people having their families k!lled off is making it hard for[..]ad to get a quiet night's rest. We should just leave the poor guy alone.

40+ Iranian soldiers who went into Syria to help[..]ad got kidnapped anyway, though. [pic]

those "civilians" you speak of are the same people that k!lled our Ambassador.

09-19-2012, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by endless lies

We aren't talking about the US. [pic]

It's funny how many dumbass Americans comment on threads like this one and totally go against their own government... Why don't you dumb !!s show some appreciation for the country you live in?

You're free to go to Iran, Syria, Palestine or wherever the !! else you think is so !!in noble to live.. Have fun checking out girls at the clubs and the malls, oh wait, they're all covered so you won't be able to do that.. well, how about [..]? Oh, that's all censored by the government too.. Well, you could[..] a girl as she walked down an alleyway.. you're safe cuz if she reports it to the police she'll be stoned to [rip]. After you're done, you can hop online for some BF3 multiplayer action! Oh wait, they banned that too.. along with Facebook and Youtube.

And goodluck criticizing their government when you live there the same way you're criticizing America's.. you'd be flagged and arrested from the first tweet.

smh at all you ignorant !!s taking so many liberties you have for granted. No country is perfect and yes, there's many liberties threatened every day in Western civilization.. but I'd rather be a part of it than any other place in the world, by far, no question.

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09-19-2012, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by D.IrIsH

It's funny how many dumbass Americans comment on threads like this one and totally go against their own government... Why don't you dumb !!s show some appreciation for the country you live in?

You're free to go to Iran, Syria, Palestine or wherever the !! else you think is so !!in noble to live.. Have fun checking out girls at the clubs and the malls, oh wait, they're all covered so you won't be able to do that.. well, how about [..]? Oh, that's all censored by the government too.. Well, you could[..] a girl as she walked down an alleyway.. you're safe cuz if she reports it to the police she'll be stoned to [rip]. After you're done, you can hop online for some BF3 multiplayer action! Oh wait, they banned that too.. along with Facebook and Youtube.

And goodluck criticizing their government when you live there the same way you're criticizing America's.. you'd be flagged and arrested from the first tweet.

smh at all you ignorant !!s taking so many liberties you have for granted. No country is perfect and yes, there's many liberties threatened every day in Western civilization.. but I'd rather be a part of it than any other place in the world, by far, no question.

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^this

09-19-2012, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by D.IrIsH

It's funny how many dumbass Americans comment on threads like this one and totally go against their own government... Why don't you dumb !!s show some appreciation for the country you live in?

You're free to go to Iran, Syria, Palestine or wherever the !! else you think is so !!in noble to live.. Have fun checking out girls at the clubs and the malls, oh wait, they're all covered so you won't be able to do that.. well, how about [..]? Oh, that's all censored by the government too.. Well, you could[..] a girl as she walked down an alleyway.. you're safe cuz if she reports it to the police she'll be stoned to [rip]. After you're done, you can hop online for some BF3 multiplayer action! Oh wait, they banned that too.. along with Facebook and Youtube.

And goodluck criticizing their government when you live there the same way you're criticizing America's.. you'd be flagged and arrested from the first tweet.

smh at all you ignorant !!s taking so many liberties you have for granted. No country is perfect and yes, there's many liberties threatened every day in Western civilization.. but I'd rather be a part of it than any other place in the world, by far, no question.

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So criticizing your own government isn't allowed and is frowned upon? [pic]

09-19-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by D.IrIsH

It's funny how many dumbass Americans comment on threads like this one and totally go against their own government... Why don't you dumb !!s show some appreciation for the country you live in?

You're free to go to Iran, Syria, Palestine or wherever the !! else you think is so !!in noble to live.. Have fun checking out girls at the clubs and the malls, oh wait, they're all covered so you won't be able to do that.. well, how about [..]? Oh, that's all censored by the government too.. Well, you could[..] a girl as she walked down an alleyway.. you're safe cuz if she reports it to the police she'll be stoned to [rip]. After you're done, you can hop online for some BF3 multiplayer action! Oh wait, they banned that too.. along with Facebook and Youtube.

And goodluck criticizing their government when you live there the same way you're criticizing America's.. you'd be flagged and arrested from the first tweet.

smh at all you ignorant !!s taking so many liberties you have for granted. No country is perfect and yes, there's many liberties threatened every day in Western civilization.. but I'd rather be a part of it than any other place in the world, by far, no question.

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I cant even insult you because your are just 2 !!ing stupid. [pic]

06:00 PM

Originally Posted by killya

I cant even insult you because your are just 2 !!ing stupid. [pic]

Yeah man.. I'm retarted. Totally !!ed in the head.

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edit: You're obviously one of the ignorant ones I'm referring to.. I make a point suggesting life here relative to other parts of the world is pretty good and to appreciate that.. and the first thing you look to do is insult me. And your lazy[..] can't even make a logical post to describe your reason for wanting to. Stay cool bud.. you're way too cool for me.. way too smart for boxden.. your wisdom on global issues is astounding and your opinions well founded and divine.

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09-19-2012, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by kevante

So criticizing your own government isn't allowed and is frowned upon? [pic]

Has nothing to do with it being frowned upon.. I'm just commenting on how frequently members of this forum make anti-American posts when they're completely free to choose somewhere else to live. That, in itself, is a freedom many people around the world don't have.

My whole point, as Im sure you understand but chose to be a smartass, is that life in North America is pretty good compared to many, many other places.

It's not even that I'm defensive.. I live in !!in Canada! [pic]

09-19-2012, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by D.IrIsH

It's funny how many dumbass Americans comment on threads like this one and totally go against their own government... Why don't you dumb !!s show some appreciation for the country you live in?

You're free to go to Iran, Syria, Palestine or wherever the !! else you think is so !!in noble to live.. Have fun checking out girls at the clubs and the malls, oh wait, they're all covered so you won't be able to do that.. well, how about [..]? Oh, that's all censored by the government too.. Well, you could[..] a girl as she walked down an alleyway.. you're safe cuz if she reports it to the police she'll be stoned to [rip]. After you're done, you can hop online for some BF3 multiplayer action! Oh wait, they banned that too.. along with Facebook and Youtube.

And goodluck criticizing their government when you live there the same way you're criticizing America's.. you'd be flagged and arrested from the first tweet.

smh at all you ignorant !!s taking so many liberties you have for granted. No country is perfect and yes, there's many liberties threatened every day in Western civilization.. but I'd rather be a part of it than any other place in the world, by far, no question.

[pic]

Twitter releases Occupy Wall Street protester’s tweets to court

Social networking site loses legal battle that garnered support of privacy and free speech advocates

you were saying? [pic] But you are right why would i want to live in a dictatorship country???

[pic] YouTube

09-19-2012, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by SpyDa

Twitter releases Occupy Wall Street protester’s tweets to court

Social networking site loses legal battle that garnered support of privacy and free speech advocates

you were saying? [pic] But you are right why would i want to live in a dictatorship country???

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This is my !!ing POINT! You seem so dissatisfied with America... feel free to get the !! out whenever you want! What's stopping you??

And your occupy wallstreet article is a controversial issue.. My point is you could change your facebook status right now to, "SMFH @ all these corrupt senators accepting bribes from big business" and you'd be fine.. nothing would happen.

Iran, on the other hand, doesn't even HAVE facebook to communicate these kind of feelings! [pic]

09-19-2012, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by D.IrIsH

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This is my !!ing POINT! You seem so dissatisfied with America... feel free to get the !! out whenever you want! What's stopping you??

And your occupy wallstreet article is a controversial issue.. My point is you could change your facebook status right now to, "SMFH @ all these corrupt senators accepting bribes from big business" and you'd be fine.. nothing would happen.

Iran, on the other hand, doesn't even HAVE facebook to communicate these kind of feelings! [pic]

have you lived in these area's in the middle east? An do you currently live in America? If not your comments are solely off of media and i'll end it there.

Everything looks good on the outside looking in. But to use your words, I have the right to complain about my country and what I experience. You dont stay here so how could you even give an opinion?

and the old technique... this site isnt credible. [pic]

09-19-2012, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by SpyDa

have you lived in these area's in the middle east? An do you currently live in America? If not your comments are solely off of media and i'll end it there.

Everything looks good on the outside looking in. But to use your words, I have the right to complain about my country and what I experience. You dont stay here so how could you even give an opinion?

and the old technique... this site isnt credible. [pic]

I do have friends who have come to Canada from Iran and other parts of the Middle East, yes... And it's not like I've never been to the US numerous times, or have any relatives that live there or anything [pic]

Stay mad though.. I hope that feels good for ya.

/post.

10:13 PM

Originally Posted by D.IrIsH

I do have friends who have come to Canada from Iran and other parts of the Middle East, yes... And it's not like I've never been to the US numerous times, or have any relatives that live there or anything [pic]

Stay mad though.. I hope that feels good for ya.

/post.

i propped you. Because of your defending America and you dont even stay here. You're a good man. America is a great place although it was founded on k!lling and slavery. Those are things of the past They dont exists anymore. Not in these United States.

I'm proud to be an american an happy the Federal Reserves decided to print 40 billion a month to help bring jobs to my country. Although my countries unemployment has sky rocketed, Opportunity for low paying jobs are the majority of whats on the market and 2/3's of Americans live pay check to pay check.... I know with our military and great leadership. We will pull through..

thanks for the reminder eh?

good man

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09-19-2012, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by kevante

IMO there are no "good guys" in this global struggle for power. In fact, in many peoples' eyes, the US is the biggest bully on the planet.

we "the US" are the bad-guys... the US government continues to quickly progress conflicts all over the world all bc we can't face reality!!

09-19-2012, 09:13 PM

some cases tho like korea, berlin, mexico, or cuba. you had people willing to die to try to make it to our horrible country, or some horrible country we helped. in fact they usually counter our intervention by building walls to keep people from defecting.

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