Nov 6 - Violent message outside a N.Y. mosque

New York (CNN) -- Outside a Manhattan mosque where the imam preaches against terrorism, the brothers of the "Revolution Muslim" are spreading a different message.

Protected by the Constitution of the country they detest, radical Muslim converts like Yousef al-Khattab and Younes Abdullah Mohammed preach that the killing of U.S. troops overseas is justified. In their thinking, so were the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States -- and so are attacks on almost any American.

"Americans will always be a target -- and a legitimate target -- until America changes its nature in the international arena," Mohammed said in an interview to air on tonight's "AC 360."

Al-Khattab and Mohammed consider al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden their model.

"I love him like I can't begin to tell you, because he doesn't seem to have done anything wrong from the sharia," al-Khattab said, referring to Islamic law. "If you're asking me if I love him as a Muslim, I love him more than I love myself."

They hand out fliers outside the gleaming 96th Street mosque, where up to 4,000 people visit every day. Inside the sleek, modernistic house of worship, Imam Shamsi Ali preaches against the violence that now sweeps many Muslim countries.

"What we try to do is reminding our people about the real Islam," Ali said. "We tell them what the real Islam is all about. Islam is about peace. Islam is about moderation. Islam is about friendship. Islam is opposed to any kind of hatred against anybody."

Law enforcement sources have told CNN the men walk right up to the line of protection under the First Amendment, but their message is not going unnoticed.

Al-Khattab handed CNN Correspondent Drew Griffin a business card from an FBI agent who he says is keeping tabs on him. The agent would not comment without clearance from his superiors, except to say, "Obviously, if they gave you my card, you know we are watching them."

The mosque has called police on Al-Khattab and Mohammed several times, and passers-by occasionally engage them in heated debates. Ali told CNN that ordinary Muslims are "disgusted with their behavior." But they insist they don't fight themselves, and don't incite others to do so.

Al-Khattab calls President Obama "a murderer, a tyrant, a scumbag," and says he wouldn't "shed a tear" if Obama were killed. But he added, "Would I incite his murder? That's not what I teach."

Mohammed calls himself an American "by default" who identifies with Muslims. Al-Khattab, a Jew who lived in Israel before converting to Islam, says he "would like to see a mushroom cloud" over the Jewish state -- "but before that, I'd like to see the people guided, and I'd like them to go back to their original countries where they're from."

But federal agents are not only watching them, they're watching some of those who are listening.

Neil Bryant Vinas, a young New Yorker who has pleaded guilty to plotting to attack trains on the Long Island Rail Road, met with al-Khattab. Al-Khattab said Vinas and "some brothers" traveled to Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had dinner with him. Al-Khattab said they considered him something of a hero because he left Israel and converted to Islam.

Al-Khattab also claims friendships with Tarek Mehanna, now under indictment in Boston, Massachusetts, on charges of conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists, and Daniel Maldonado, who pleaded guilty before a federal judge in Texas to receiving military training from Islamic militants in Somalia.

Mohammed says he and his fellow radicals are "commanded to terrorize the disbelievers ... making them fearful so that they will think twice before they go rape your mother or kill your brother or go onto your land and try to steal your resources."

"We are defending innocent women that are bombed every day, innocent children that are bombed every day," he said.

But asked whether those who take their fliers should take up arms against Americans, he said, "We certainly have never said that."

Peaceful preaching inside, violent message outside a New York mosque - CNN.com

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Dudes like them who f**k it up for all of Islam

For real... Especially when the media gets to it.

What else would u except????

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Really?

3:56 (Asad) "And as for those who are bent on denying the truth, I shall cause them to suffer a suffering severe in this world and in the life to come, and they shall have none to succour them"

2:191 (Asad) "And slay them wherever you may come upon them, and drive them away from wherever they drove you away - for oppression is even worse than killing. [168] And fight not against them near the Inviolable House of Worship unless they fight against you there first; [169] but if they fight against you, slay them: such shall be the recompense of those who deny the truth."

8:60 (Asad) "Hence, make ready against them whatever force and war mounts [64] you are able to muster, so that you might deter thereby the enemies of God, who are your enemies as well, [65] and others besides them of whom you may be unaware, [but] of whom God is aware; and whatever you may expend [66] in God's cause shall be repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged."

47:4 (Asad) "NOW WHEN you meet [in war] those who are bent on denying the truth, [4] smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; [5] but thereafter [set them free,] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted: [6] thus [shall it be]. And [know that] had God so willed, He could indeed punish them [Himself]; but [He wills you to struggle] so as to test you [all] by means of one another. [7] And as for those who are slain in God’s cause, never will He let their deeds go to waste:"

8:7 (Asad) "And, lo, God gave you the promise that one of the two [enemy] hosts would fall to you: and you would have liked to seize the less powerful one, [7] whereas it was God's will to prove the truth to be true in accordance with His words, and to wipe out the last remnant of those who denied the truth [8] -"

What peaceful accounts.

Yeah cuz the bible doesn't say s**t like that either right?

I'm sick of these militant bastards ruining Islam in the view of the Western World. Goddammit.

Whoa, what a defense! As if I indicated anywhere in my post that I was a Christian or bible freak.

Apparently, you've acknowledged that Islam is in many respects, a barbaric and savage-like, which prescribes terror/death/murder/etc.

Christianity is also ridiculous in many respects, but we're talking about Islam, not Christianity.

I love how most peeps come with s**t like "Oh and the bible isn't bad?". That's like the only counter they have. Props.

Putting words in BOLD and UNDERLINING certain words could easily take a message out of its original context. Also,

3:56
And as for those who believe and do good works, He will pay them their wages in full. Allah loveth not wrong-doers.

2:191
But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

That's just for example. Did you even read what you posted? Let me give you context. Most of which of what you spoke were for guidance during war. Words like "slay" seem powerful but we're talking about ~600 A.D. Old English has its counterparts everywhere. Language changes over the millenia.

It's people like you who promote ignorance. If we as a people continue to, sorry for the cliche but it really fits the bill, judge a book by its cover. This world will fail to come to any sort of understanding.

As far as the original post goes, it's s**t like this that makes it hard to be Muslim. Hell to be any sort of racial affiliation of Islam. I just hope the good people can outweigh the bad.

Islam condones violence.

Your argument is that "the word slay may seem powerful"?

Slay, kill, murder, w/e; it conveys the same thing, termination of life.

I know what the verses say, and they're not "guidance for war", that's stupid, it clearly states: "And as for those who are bent on denying the truth".

And what effect does posting those verses you posted has? I didn't say all of Islam as a whole is a violent religion, I said: "Islam is in many respects, a barbaric and savage-like..."

Stop being biased for your religion.

f**k relgion....I was thinking we should kill off all the extremest from every aspect of life where it be religion, culture, media, ect....Then I thought I would have to kill off myself