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 Jun 28 - Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
 06-28-2012, 04:06 PMaway - #101
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 06-28-2012, 04:10 PMonline - #102
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Originally Posted by CrapShoota



my exact reaction when i saw that pic on huffpo
 06-28-2012, 04:15 PMaway - #103
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wait so how does affect a person like me? I bank 65k before taxes, and I pay for my benefits?


or is this only affecting the broke people with their hands out?
 06-28-2012, 04:15 PMaway - #104
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Originally Posted by Sheeed
I don't get why people are so mad about the mandate especially if you can afford it...God forbid something happens to you and you have no insurance, you know how quickly these ER bills can escalate in an overnight stay? I know no one plans on getting sick, but things happen man. Better to be prepared than not
That's their choice as free individuals.

It's not the government's job to protect us from ourselves.
 06-28-2012, 04:16 PMaway - #105
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Originally Posted by StateProperty88
how will it effect people that have benefits? honest question there...just looking for a simple answer
Republicans have been blinding people with the mandate, that they forget all the good
#### in the ACA. Besides not being able to decline people with pre-existing condition and
parents being able to keep their kids on their insurance longer, Insurance companies
are going to have a cap of 15% above cost for what they can charge for premiums.
That will effect everybody who has insurance and the cost should come down.
Insurance companies are already sending people refund checks for over-charging
them. The ACA also has several tax credits in it, a list of them are here:


There is a tax credit of $13,360 per child, for parents of adopted children.

There's other things, some which will not take effect until 2014.

Some of what people consider bad thing are requiring employers to provide insurance to
employees. But there are tax credits for that too. The mandate for people to purchase
insurance is offset by a subsidy of $5,000 a year. See here:


There is a 10% tax for people who use tanning beds for non-medical purposes. Some
other risky behavior has consequential taxes as well.
 06-28-2012, 04:25 PMaway - #106
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How people defend this and think it is good boggles my mind... It really does... Such stupidity
 06-28-2012, 04:28 PMaway - #107
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^ what an idiot

what people dont realize is this actually makes health care worse...longer wait times, medicines instead of surgery, etc etc
 06-28-2012, 04:30 PMaway - #108
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no job & u get fined for no insurance??? Yeah ok fine away muthafukkas
 06-28-2012, 04:32 PMaway - #109
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Originally Posted by tj.iscool
no job & u get fined for no insurance??? Yeah ok fine away muthafukkas
But, you get 5,000 a year to pay for insurance, so there should be no one without it.
 06-28-2012, 04:40 PMaway - #110
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Originally Posted by Play4keepz32
How people defend this and think it is good boggles my mind... It really does... Such stupidity
and instead of enlightening people you talk #### from the sidelines, you sound like a republican.
 06-28-2012, 04:41 PMaway - #111
StateProperty88 27 heat pts27

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Originally Posted by surreyjack
^ what an idiot

what people dont realize is this actually makes health care worse...longer wait times, medicines instead of surgery, etc etc
"longer" wait times, we already wait an eternity at the doc's and ER
 06-28-2012, 04:45 PMaway - #112
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Originally Posted by StateProperty88
"longer" wait times, we already wait an eternity at the doc's and ER
The gov't is going to undermine the majority of primary healthcare providers and all the small business doctors offices are going to take a hit. Then it will spread to specialist practices.

Basically the government is going to take a monopoly over the healthcare industry and nobody can do #### about it.
 06-28-2012, 04:45 PMaway - #113
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Originally Posted by StateProperty88
"longer" wait times, we already wait an eternity at the doc's and ER
get ready to wait even longer.
 06-28-2012, 04:45 PMaway - #114
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I have health insurance and my premiums will go up people have to be complete morons to think that your premiums won't be going up and im not even debating that part of it which could be 10 pages long

Its simple your rights are being taken away and people are happy about it why?

Because obama is president thats y? Are people this clueless
 06-28-2012, 04:49 PMaway - #115
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Originally Posted by StateProperty88
"longer" wait times, we already wait an eternity at the doc's and ER
I was talking about wait times to see specialists and people that require surgeries. Right now you could get in for a major surgery maybe in 2, 3 months but soon it'll be 1-2 years just like England and Canada.
 06-28-2012, 04:52 PMaway - #116
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Originally Posted by Play4keepz32
I have health insurance and my premiums will go up people have to be complete morons to think that your premiums won't be going up and im not even debating that part of it which could be 10 pages long

Its simple your rights are being taken away and people are happy about it why?

Because obama is president thats y? Are people this clueless
if everyone is paying insurance (or this mandate) how/why would your premiums go up? im not debating this either because i dont know but do want you to elaborate some
 06-28-2012, 04:53 PMaway - #117
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Originally Posted by surreyjack
I was talking about wait times to see specialists and people that require surgeries. Right now you could get in for a major surgery maybe in 2, 3 months but soon it'll be 1-2 years just like England and Canada.
why would this be?
 06-28-2012, 05:02 PMaway - #118
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Originally Posted by WillScrillz5000
dude just google it. you obviously don't know what you're in for, asking all these questions.
does this mean you dont have the answer to the question? im just asking for people to back up their statements, thats something that cant be googled. you guys are the ones saying it, so i want YOUR explanation
 06-28-2012, 05:07 PMaway - #119
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Originally Posted by StateProperty88
if everyone is paying insurance (or this mandate) how/why would your premiums go up? im not debating this either because i dont know but do want you to elaborate some
For starters:

In particular, given publicly available data we cannot incorporate the effects of the ban on pre-existing conditions exclusions. This ban will cause a rise in premiums as insurers are forced to cover conditions that they had previously excluded.
 06-28-2012, 05:10 PMaway - #120
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To hell with this healthcare law and to hell with this supreme court ruling, it makes me sick.

More tyranny on the way!
 
 


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