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Jul 20 - Relatives Sue Officials Over U.S. Citizens k!lled by Drone Strikes in Yemen


 Jul 20 - Relatives Sue Officials Over U.S. Citizens k!lled by Drone Strikes in Yemen
By Damagegadget - 07-20-2012, 11:42 AM - Boxden > BX Daily Bugle - news and headlines


WASHINGTON — Relatives of three American citizens k!lled in drone strikes in Yemen last year filed a wrongful-[rip] lawsuit against four senior national security officials on Wednesday. The suit, in the Federal District Court here, opened a new chapter in the legal wrangling over the Obama administration’s use of drones in pursuit of terrorism suspects away from traditional “hot” battlefields like Afghanistan.

The first strike, on Sept. 30, k!lled a group of people including Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric who was born in New Mexico, and Samir Khan, a naturalized American citizen who lived at times in Queens, Long Island and North Carolina. The second, on Oct. 14, k!lled a group of people including Mr. Awlaki’s 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who was born in Colorado.

Accused in the suit of authorizing and directing the strikes are Leon E. Panetta, the secretary of defense; David H. Petraeus, the director of the C.I.A.; and two senior commanders of the military’s Special Operations forces, Adm. William H. McRaven of the Navy and Lt. Gen. Joseph L. Votel of the Army.

“The k!llings violated fundamental rights afforded to all U.S. citizens, including the right not to be deprived of life without due process of law,” the complaint says.

Press officials with the C.I.A., the Pentagon and the Justice Department declined to comment.

The lawsuit, which seeks unspecified damages, was filed by Nasser al-Awlaki, who was Anwar’s father and Abdulrahman’s grandfather, and Sarah Khan, Samir’s mother. Lawyers with the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights are[..]isting them in the legal action.

In 2010, the two groups helped Nasser al-Awlaki in an effort to obtain a court injunction against government efforts to k!ll his son. A federal judge threw out the case, primarily on the ground that Nasser al-Awlaki had no standing to sue in place of his son. Now Nasser al-Awlaki and Ms. Khan represent the estates of their sons and his grandson.

But the new lawsuit may face other procedural impediments before it would reach any substantive ruling on whether the strikes violated the Constitution — or even a public acknowledgment that the United States government did carry them out and an explanation of the evidence and decision-making behind them.

The Justice Department, which is likely to provide lawyers for the defendants, may ask a judge to dismiss the case by[..]erting that the evidence necessary to litigate it would disclose state secrets, or that decisions about whom to k!ll in an armed conflict are “political questions” not fit for judicial review. The government[..]erted both arguments in the 2010 case, and the judge who dismissed that lawsuit also cited the “political question” doctrine.

Even if a judge declined to dismiss the case on those grounds, the officials could[..]ert that “qualified immunity” protected them from lawsuits that accuse them of violating someone’s constitutional rights while performing official actions that did not violate “clearly est@blished law” at the time. President Obama is not named in the lawsuit; the Supreme Court has ruled that presidents enjoy “absolute immunity” from lawsuits stemming from their official actions.

While it has been widely reported that the United State carried out the strikes, the Obama administration has never officially acknowledged responsibility for them. The New York Times has described the details of a secret Justice Department memorandum that concluded that it would be lawful to target Anwar al-Awlaki if capturing him was infeasible. The Times and the A.C.L.U. have sued for disclosure of that document under the Freedom of Information Act.

Several administration officials, including Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. in a speech at Northwestern University in March, have also defended the targeting of citizens, without a trial, if they join terrorist groups and under certain conditions.

“Some have argued that the president is required to get permission from a federal court before taking action against a United States citizen who is a senior operational leader of Al Qaeda or[..]ociated forces,” Mr. Holder said. “This is simply not accurate. ‘Due process’ and ‘judicial process’ are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process.”

In 2010, reports surfaced that Anwar al-Awlaki had been placed on a “kill list” after the attempted b0mbing of a Detroit-bound airliner on Dec. 25, 2009. The would-be b0mber is said to have told his interrogators that Mr. Awlaki recruited him for the operation. Mr. Awlaki has also been accused of playing a role in other terrorist plots, but he was not indicted or tried.

The complaint says Mr. Awlaki should not have been designated “for [rip] without the protections of a judicial trial” by the executive branch and contends that at the time of his k!lling, he did not present any immediate “concrete, specific and imminent threat of [rip] or serious bodily injury.” It also[..]erts that any threat he did present when he was found could have been mitigated without lethal force, although it does not say how.

Complicating matters, it is believed that the Sept. 30 strike specifically targeted Anwar al-Awlaki, making the people around him — including Mr. Khan — collateral damage. Likewise, Mr. Awlaki’s son is said to have been a bystander in the Oct. 14 strike. Mr. Khan was involved in producing propaganda for Al Qaeda’s Yemen branch, but Abdulrahman al-Awlaki had not been accused of joining the group.

Under the international laws of war, civilians may not be deliberately targeted; while it can sometimes be lawful to shoot at a military target knowing that some civilians nearby may be k!lled, collateral [rip]s must be minimized and proportional to the military objective. Still, it is not clear how domestic-law constitutional rights interact with wartime targeting law, and the A.C.L.U. and the Center for Constitutional Rights dispute the extent to which armed-conflict rules apply in Yemen. In discussing Mr. Khan and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, the complaint accuses the defendants of failing to take adequate measures to prevent bystanders from harm.

“Even in the context of an armed conflict, government officials must comply with the requirements of distinction and proportionality and take all feasible measures to protect bystanders,” it says.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/wo...emen.html?_r=1


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6 comments for "Jul 20 - Relatives Sue Officials Over U.S. Citizens k!lled by Drone Strikes in Yemen"


 07-20-2012, 12:04 PMaway - #2
Suppafresh
!! them they !!ing son k!lled people because of his !!ed up beliefs. Should have k!lled them to pieces of !!. k!ll all them !!ing terriost mother!!ers. k!ll the guy who did the shooting at the movies too. k!ll all them !!ers. Sick of people giving sympathy to these useless pieces of !!.

I'm sorry I know you box den folks think terriost ain't real they C.I.A agents but I'm here to tell you. These !!ers are real and will k!ll u with any chance they get. Mother!!ers plot everyday to k!ll people by the numbers. They want to instill fear and chaos. They hide behind there religious beliefs it's so sicken what they do in the name of Islam. Not every terriost is a muslim and not every Muslim is a terriost but the ones that are make it hard for the regular Muslim who just wanna live there life.

This world is going to !! nobody wants to be anything anymore all they care about is video games, reality shows gay singers and gay rights and promoting one regilion over the other when we should be trying to live our lives and be happy. Instead of wanna to k!ll people and sue because they stupid[..] son was a damn terriost who disregarded others lives cause of his regilous beliefs. If you don't like some don't deal with them isolated those people out of live keep interact with them out of your lives. Don't mass murk people cause u don't like them cause they don't believe what u believe in.
 07-20-2012, 12:20 PMaway - #3
whatzg00d
Originally Posted by Suppafresh
!! them they !!ing son k!lled people because of his !!ed up beliefs. Should have k!lled them to pieces of !!. k!ll all them !!ing terriost mother!!ers. k!ll the guy who did the shooting at the movies too. k!ll all them !!ers. Sick of people giving sympathy to these useless pieces of !!.

I'm sorry I know you box den folks think terriost ain't real they C.I.A agents but I'm here to tell you. These !!ers are real and will k!ll u with any chance they get. Mother!!ers plot everyday to k!ll people by the numbers. They want to instill fear and chaos. They hide behind there religious beliefs it's so sicken what they do in the name of Islam. Not every terriost is a muslim and not every Muslim is a terriost but the ones that are make it hard for the regular Muslim who just wanna live there life.

This world is going to !! nobody wants to be anything anymore all they care about is video games, reality shows gay singers and gay rights and promoting one regilion over the other when we should be trying to live our lives and be happy. Instead of wanna to k!ll people and sue because they stupid[..] son was a damn terriost who disregarded others lives cause of his regilous beliefs. If you don't like some don't deal with them isolated those people out of live keep interact with them out of your lives. Don't mass murk people cause u don't like them cause they don't believe what u believe in.
go pull the trigger on yourself..
 07-20-2012, 12:24 PMaway - #4
DEDOS
Originally Posted by Suppafresh
!! them they !!ing son k!lled people because of his !!ed up beliefs. Should have k!lled them to pieces of !!. k!ll all them !!ing terriost mother!!ers. k!ll the guy who did the shooting at the movies too. k!ll all them !!ers. Sick of people giving sympathy to these useless pieces of !!.

I'm sorry I know you box den folks think terriost ain't real they C.I.A agents but I'm here to tell you. These !!ers are real and will k!ll u with any chance they get. Mother!!ers plot everyday to k!ll people by the numbers. They want to instill fear and chaos. They hide behind there religious beliefs it's so sicken what they do in the name of Islam. Not every terriost is a muslim and not every Muslim is a terriost but the ones that are make it hard for the regular Muslim who just wanna live there life.

This world is going to !! nobody wants to be anything anymore all they care about is video games, reality shows gay singers and gay rights and promoting one regilion over the other when we should be trying to live our lives and be happy. Instead of wanna to k!ll people and sue because they stupid[..] son was a damn terriost who disregarded others lives cause of his regilous beliefs. If you don't like some don't deal with them isolated those people out of live keep interact with them out of your lives. Don't mass murk people cause u don't like them cause they don't believe what u believe in.


yep co sign

all they have to do is play the hundreds tapes in court of this loony toon religious nutt talking crazy and just bring in the statements of the underwear b0mber. suit tossed your son was got the [rip] he desrved [pic]
 07-20-2012, 12:36 PMaway - #5
Damagegadget
now Im not giving excuses to extremist..but explain how a plane turned a builbing to dust...but the passports of said terrorist in attack made it to the ground..and the made to be indestructable black box didnt?

Furthermore didn't the CIA train al qaida back in the day... B do not believe what mainstream media reports to you... its set up to trigger the kind of response you seem to be giving..

But I do agree any one that is sadistic in such an extremist manner doesn't deserveany light punishment
 07-20-2012, 03:34 PMaway - #6
ItAlY2BkLyN
Originally Posted by Damagegadget
now Im not giving excuses to extremist..but explain how a plane turned a builbing to dust...but the passports of said terrorist in attack made it to the ground..and the made to be indestructable black box didnt?

Furthermore didn't the CIA train al qaida back in the day... B do not believe what mainstream media reports to you... its set up to trigger the kind of response you seem to be giving..

But I do agree any one that is sadistic in such an extremist manner doesn't deserveany light punishment
I just watched 9/11 loose change and that !! blew my mind.

the scary thing is that "IT" is so huge. It seems so far beyond reach. Overwhelming.
 07-20-2012, 03:43 PMaway - #7
endless lies
They should b0mb those idiots next.

Your relative was an animal who needed to be put down. Period. He deserved [rip] and worse.

Mourning a monster will only make you seem like one yourself.
 
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