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Jan 28 - US Senate Proposes Bipartisan Solution To Immigration Reform


 Jan 28 - US Senate Proposes Bipartisan Solution To Immigration Reform
topic by Kadillac87 - 01-28-2013, 05:20 PM - Boxden > BX Daily Bugle - news and headlines


Washington (CNN) -- Millions of undocumented immigrants would get immediate but provisional status to live and work in America under a compromise plan proposed Monday by a bipartisan group of eight senators.

While temporarily removing legal uncertainty for the nation's 11 million undocumented immigrants, the senators' outline also called for strengthening border controls, improved monitoring of visitors and cracking down on hiring undocumented workers.

Only after those steps occurred could the undocumented immigrants already in the country begin the process of getting permanent residence -- green cards -- as a step toward citizenship, the senators told a news conference.

"They would no longer be deported, provided they don't have a criminal record. They would no longer be harassed, they would be allowed to stay here and work," said Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York in describing the immediate impact of the framework if crafted into legislation and enacted.

The outline for a possible immigration bill reflects a new willingness by mainstream Republicans to compromise following their party's defeat in November, when President Barack Obama got strong backing from Latino voters.

"Elections, elections," answered Sen. John McCain of Arizona, a veteran of past immigration battles in Congress, when asked to explain the push now for a bill that proved unattainable two years ago.


"The Republican Party is losing the support of our Hispanic citizens," McCain said. "We realize that there are many issues on which we think we are in agreement with our Hispanic citizens, but this is a preeminent issue with those citizens."

His party and all Americans now realized that "we cannot continue as a nation with 11 million people residing in the shadows," McCain added.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a tea party backed conservative considered a rising star in the party, said the goal was to create a "modern immigration system" that treated everyone fairly -- both the undocumented and those waiting to come to America legally.

"None of this is possible if we don't address the reality there are 11 million people in this country who are undocumented," Rubio said.

However, another tea party backed Republican, Sen. Mike Lee of Utah, objected to the framework by his colleagues, saying the guidelines "contemplate a policy that will grant special benefits to illegal immigrants based on their unlawful presence in the country."
Other conservatives immediately voiced their opposition to what they called amnesty, a code word on the political right for providing undocumented immigrants a path to legal status.

"When you legalize those who are in the country illegally, it costs taxpayers millions of dollars, costs American workers thousands of jobs and encourages more illegal immigration," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, who serves on the immigration subcommittee in the House. "By granting amnesty, the Senate proposal actually compounds the problem by encouraging more illegal immigration."

NumbersUSA, a group seeking to reduce U.S. immigration, called the Senate plan an attempt to "out-amnesty Obama" and said it was activating its 1.3 million members to push for congressional opposition.

House Speaker John Boehner's office was non-commital, saying he looked forward to learning more about the senators' plan.

McCain and Rubio, joined by three Democratic colleagues at the news conference, acknowledged the political challenge, with Rubio calling the legislative process ahead "enormously complicated."

Obama planned a speech in Las Vegas on Tuesday to discuss comprehensive immigration legislation, which he calls a priority of his second term.

At the White House, spokesman Jay Carney said Monday that the president welcomed the senators' framework, calling it a "big deal" because it included an eventual path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.

"He is encouraged by the progress we have seen from members of both parties in the Senate, and looks forward to working with members of both parties to reach a point in the hopefully not too distant future where we have a bill that has bipartisan support, that is very specific, and that he can sign because it meets his principles," Carney said.


The senators' plan aligned closely with Obama's immigration blueprint, Carney noted. He brushed off questions about specifics, saying the president's remarks on Tuesday would be intended to keep the dialogue going.

Meanwhile, a litany of left-leaning advocacy groups spoke out on the senators' plan, praising it as a good first step but cautioning against harming the rights of workers.

"The people of this country are ready for us to be one country again without second-class people being mistreated simply because they lack paper even though they are already contributing to our economy and our tax system," noted NAACP President Ben Jealous.

Democratic senators backing the plan include Schumer, di#k Durbin of Illinois, Robert Menendez of New Jersey, and Michael Bennet of Colorado. On the Republican side, McCain and Rubio were joined by Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Jeff Flake of Arizona.


The eight senators based their framework on four "pillars," described as:
-- A "tough but fair" path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants already living in the United States, but only after bolstering the nation's border security;
-- Overhauling the country's legal immigration system, including attaching green cards to advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering, or math from U.S. universities;
-- Est@blishing an employment verification system that holds employers accountable for hiring undocumented workers;
-- Creating a guest worker program for positions that Americans are either unable or unwilling to fill.

A source familiar with how the eight senators came up with the plan told CNN that Graham called Schumer after the November vote to restart work on an immigration bill that broke down in 2010.

Soon, a core group of six senators formed and met five times in the following weeks in the offices of Schumer and McCain, the source said, adding that Flake and Bennet also took part in some of the meetings and were the last to agree to the proposal.

Schumer said Monday that an initial timetable called for delivering the text of a bill to the Senate Judiciary Committee by March, and Senate passage by late spring or in the summer. He and Durbin called Obama on Sunday to tell him of the agreement by the senators, Schumer said, describing the president as "delighted."

Obama came under criticism from Latino activists for failing to deliver on 2008 campaign promise to make immigration reform a priority of his first term.

Last year, as his re-election campaign heated up, the Obama administration announced a halt to deportations of some young undocumented immigrants in a move that delighted the Latino community.

Exit polls in November indicated Latino voters gave overwhelming support to Obama over GOP challenger Mitt Romney, who had advocated a policy that amounted to forcing undocumented immigrants to deport themselves.


Possible compromise on immigration reform takes shape - CNN.com


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15 comments for "Jan 28 - US Senate Proposes Bipartisan Solution To Immigration Reform"


 01-28-2013, 05:22 PMonline - #2
Ham Rove 1980 heat pts1980

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uh oh, the cry's of amnesty are coming.
 01-28-2013, 05:56 PMaway - #3
KFrizzle 269 heat pts269

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Well kinda a kick in the face to the ppl who are waiting legally to be a citizen..

IDK any other real way that is possible to solve the issue w/ the 12 million here illegally...
just hope this doesn't add like 5+ million ppl receiving gov. funding... Can't really afford that...

But honestly who cares about this, if they can't ever stop ppl from illegally entering by the millions...
Or else we will be doin this all over again, in 20-30 years..
 01-28-2013, 06:04 PMonline - #4
Ham Rove 1980 heat pts1980

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lol @ McCain flat out saying, they are doing this because of them losing elections and because the latino vote "should be theirs"

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 01-28-2013, 06:12 PMaway - #5
DrX 56 heat pts56

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built the god damn wall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 01-28-2013, 06:35 PMaway - #6
KFrizzle 269 heat pts269

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Originally Posted by DrX
built the god damn wall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ya right...

The same ppl who haven't passed a budget since Bush left office are suppose to organize a Border Fence Bill...

I wish it could happen dude.... But I don't think the fools elected are smart to realize this..
gonna have to be done by individual states, but last a state tried to enforce immigration laws they got sued by this Admin. So good luck
 01-28-2013, 06:44 PMaway - #7
Kadillac87 196 heat pts196

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Originally Posted by KFrizzle
Ya right...

The same ppl who haven't passed a budget since Bush left office are suppose to organize a Border Fence Bill...
This happened after Bush left office? I think you need to update your facts.




Anyway, budgets aren't necessary to appropriate funds. How do you think congress was able to authorize a Sandy Hook aid package despite not having passed a budget in almost 5 years.
 01-28-2013, 06:55 PMaway - #8
KFrizzle 269 heat pts269

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Originally Posted by Kadillac87
This happened after Bush left office? I think you need to update your facts.


Anyway, budgets aren't necessary to appropriate funds. How do you think congress was able to authorize a Sandy Hook aid package despite not having passed a budget in almost 5 years.

what are you trying to say..

that bills can be passed w/o a budget?

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Congress is the body required by law to pass a budget annually and to submit the budget passed by both houses to the President for signature.

I gotta fix this**
There is away around this 'law'... If you can call it that

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 01-28-2013, 07:07 PMaway - #9
Kadillac87 196 heat pts196

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Originally Posted by KFrizzle
what are you trying to say..

that bills can be passed w/o a budget?

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Congress is the body required by law to pass a budget annually and to submit the budget passed by both houses to the President for signature.

#### the law tho!! Right??

We've been doing it since 1997 with continuing resolutions. They're not required by law to pass a budget. They're required by law to consider a budget.

 01-28-2013, 07:20 PMonline - #10
Ham Rove 1980 heat pts1980

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and illegal crossings from mexico to the us are at a 40 year low. but Obama needs to build the fence!!!! Because what better way to solve a problem than by the throwing money @ something that is not as dire a problem, as some may lead you to believe.
 01-28-2013, 07:24 PMaway - #11
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Originally Posted by Kadillac87
We've been doing it since 1997 with continuing resolutions. They're not required by law to pass a budget. They're required by law to consider a budget.

Right they need to consider a budget, even if they know it stands no chance of passing...

What I dislike continuing resolutions tho, is that we always hear... "hey, they trying to shut down the gov." and really, they do nothing but push the budget problem back for a several months...

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We got such a bad deficit/spending problem, that i don't find it smart by any means to just wing it like they are..
 01-28-2013, 07:28 PMaway - #12
KFrizzle 269 heat pts269

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Originally Posted by minimafiaaj
and illegal crossings from mexico to the us are at a 40 year low. but Obama needs to build the fence!!!! Because what better way to solve a problem than by the throwing money @ something that is not as dire a problem, as some may lead you to believe.
you know why it's at a 40 year low?
Cuz economy hasn't been this ####ty since Jimmy Carter...

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But idk who anyone thinks a fence would be the only solution..
Clearly our programs have some massive flaws if its easier to come here illegally rather than being suck waiting for years to get accepeted
 01-28-2013, 07:37 PMonline - #13
Ham Rove 1980 heat pts1980

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Originally Posted by KFrizzle
you know why it's at a 40 year low?
Cuz economy hasn't been this ####ty since Jimmy Carter...

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But idk who anyone thinks a fence would be the only solution..
Clearly our programs have some massive flaws if its easier to come here illegally rather than being suck waiting for years to get accepeted
Economy is doing better than it did under the last Republican presidentStock market 5 year high. But I guess we are in a worse situation right now, than lets say 4 years ago right? if you believe that, you're a certified retard.

A fence isn't any solution, its to appease the xenophobic right wing. If illegal crossings are so low, why would we build a fence? seems like a waste of money. And Obama has increased border patrols and they are even using drones now. But nope, we gotta build that fence!!!!
 01-29-2013, 03:34 PMaway - #14
KFrizzle 269 heat pts269

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Have you forgotten all the jobs lost during the Bush/Obama transition.... That we still have yet to get back...
LMAO, you realize we only have 7.8% unemployment cuz millions upon millions of ppl are no longer considered 'looking for employment'... Not to mention that all the educated are having to settle for low-wage paying jobs, since that's all that is growing...







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please explain how we are goin to stop illegal immigration... W/O a fence??


We had all these new laws and regulations in Reagan's amnesty bill... Now they not even being enforced...
We can't just grant amnesty... like we did in 86' (to only 1.5mil ppl) now 30 yrs later we got to give 11 million ####ers a free pass....

we gotta stop illegal immigration! we can't have 11 mil. more illegal's 20 yrs from now...
 01-30-2013, 11:33 AMaway - #15
messy marv stan 1437 heat pts1437

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these idiots in office always use minorities for political gain
they go on tv with some proposal every year it seems like
nothing will be done in the end
 01-30-2013, 02:50 PMaway - #16
KFrizzle 269 heat pts269

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Right..
This is for nothing more than 11 million new voters..

Should give them amnesty but not allow them to vote for 20 years...

No one would be for it tho
 
 


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