Aug 29 - Bill Nye The Science Guy Rips On American's Who Teach Creationism To Children
|08-30-2012, 01:10 PM||away - #61|
|08-30-2012, 01:24 PM||away - #62|
From a top 5 engineering program. Don't even try it with me son. I think I would know
And yes, decay is a measurable rate. All measurable rates depend on a constant. That constant is[..]umed to be constant throughout the entire process. You're gonna tell me we have observed U-238 for over 4 billion years to determine it's half-life when we only known about radioactivity for a little over 100? Clearly, it is relying on a HUGE[..]umption.
And yes, gravity is scientific fact but it is not a fact. It's a theory. At one point, the Earth being flat was considered a scientific fact. At one point, the Earth being the center of the universe was considered scientific fact. Scientific facts are not absolute truths and are subject to change. So wouldn't it be illogical to say science, in it's ever changing state, disproves or discredits something?
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|08-30-2012, 01:34 PM||away - #63|
It is all just best guess.
And yes, we are special as a species and as a planet. 70% of the planet is not inhabitable for us. People live on submarines for months at a time if not years. And don't forget that you survived for nine months in liquid.
Life on this planet has survived countless events that should have made the planet inhabitable for everything, yet here we are. It is as close to perfect as we have seen in the universe to date (in recorded history that is).
I'm not here to argue for or against any specific theory or idea. I believe there are little truths from several theories and ideas sprinkled about here and there.
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|08-30-2012, 03:48 PM||away - #64|
Its sayin that it doesnt matter that just b/c you try to bring science into somethin, that its 100% accurate. The points you make towards being right are extremely flawed. They are[..]umptions b/c we were not there. We dont know the temperatures or environments of thousands of years ago. It can be that we never discovered it or saw it or heard about it. It can be a brand new environment to us so how can we determine anything from it?
Being so sure about something isnt always good just like being so sure about Asbestos ended up k!lling a whole lot of ppl, including my uncle, b/c we didnt know it was harmful. We didnt know it was harmful b/c it takes about 20 yrs to become harmful.
So I think its safe to say that theres a lot of things we dont know until they happen.
Therefore, the past will then be very difficult to predict if we cant even understand the present.
|08-30-2012, 04:33 PM||away - #65|
Not sure what that's actually from, but there is NO mention of dinosaurs ANYWHERE in the actual bible.
Please, tell me what verse in the Bible, this accompanies [pic]
This is a list of all of the animals mentioned in the bible
You mean to tell me that of all the Animals that existed, they somehow forgot dinosaurs .
They forgot all of these guys. [pic]
|08-30-2012, 04:39 PM||away - #66|
Parents should also take their children out of those schools, if they disagree with the procedures.
But with "public" (government) schools being a Communist ideology, it's no surprise children/parents have something FORCED on them no matter what.
No, they shouldn't be questioned.
Not unless you want to intrude into someone else's personal affairs.
You, me, Bill Nye, or anyone else questioning those decisions (beliefs, in this case) is not knowledgeable enough of the afterlife to definitively know the answers.
Reading/researching the religious doctrine(s) and refuting claims of "believers" with quoted passages is the most effective way.
Being ideologues of the same fascistic nature doesn't solve anything; it makes things worse, and makes hypocrites of the detractors.
Religious/spiritual or Atheist.
There is no Right to marry in the Constitution for anyone, homosecksual or straight. That is why the States & State Citizens have authority to decide these matters.
Homosecksuals can start their own churches/religious centers, or their own adoptive agencies.....that would be taking charge of the situation.
If you want something done right, do it yourself.
Or at the very least, sue the State to allow for equal treatment of adoptive procedures.
Being proactive not only gets things done, but preserves the Rule of Law.
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|08-30-2012, 04:45 PM||away - #67|
“Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
18 Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
19 It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.
24 Can anyone capture it by the eyes,
or trap it and pierce its nose?
Even your own evidence says it's a possible reference to dinosaurs. [pic]
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|08-30-2012, 04:54 PM||away - #68|
Rate of decay is observable(even without witnessing firsthand it's entire timeline being played out), we don't need to see something with our eyes to know it exists. We don't need to see dinosaurs to know they were real, we don't need to touch the sun to know it's hot, we don't need to take a deep breath in space to know we can breathe there. We are able to observe the constant rate of decay, therefore we can map out it's effect. By your logic, nothing that came before us or nothing that lasts forever(or seemingly forever), can be a fact because it cannot be observed....think about that for a second.
If you REALLY are a nuclear engineering major....really....but if you really are...you have got to be a freshman or sophomore, if you honestly think that the observable constant rate is a HUGE[..]umption. How can you observe something which goes on forever?
The world being flat was NEVER and I repeat NEVER a scientific fact. You're talking about a time before science, the scientific method, and the concept of scientific fact. [pic]
To be clear, I'm not a religion bashing Atheist. I was raised Catholic most of my life, and am open minded enough to believe that we may have been "created" somehow, as part of some intelligent design. But Creationism is an ancient fairy tale for little kids and rednecks who are afraid to think about "scary" concepts outside of their religion. And I understand that, because I was once one of those kids, and it was a very scary and confusing time for me when I began to question my faith. As of now, I would say I'm not religious, don't believe in any one single religious est@blishment, and might classify myself as Agnostic. Questioning what you're told to believe is OK, and if the answers they give you don't add up, well...that's up to you. [pic]
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|08-30-2012, 05:10 PM||away - #69|
Behemoth (and then the sea-monster Leviathan who is also described) are used in a parable told to demonstrate the power of God. They are admittedly mythical characters who nobody had actually seen and are only used and described in this one story.
In this scripture, these are one-off animals. Doesn't make sense because it's been proven that dinosaurs were all over in their time. Not just mysterious mythical creatures who only God cold tame or had access to.
There is no mention of people casually living with dinosaurs in the Bible. Which would have had to have been the case.
Now I don't know about you, but if people of that time were casually sharing the earth with these creatures
Im no genius, but I think there would be a little more than a vague mythical reference to such.. [pic]
|08-30-2012, 05:18 PM||away - #70|
watch the new katt williams special he /thread on this topic
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|08-30-2012, 06:12 PM||away - #73|
Once again the bible isnt an animal encyclopedia my friend. Why does it have to mention them? I still dont understand your simple thinking. Wheres a beatle, a wasp, a SHARK? There are sooooo many kinds of sharks. But they must not have existed back then I guess would be your thinking?
Really doesnt matter though I mean no ones gonna change your mind. You can take the Bible as history that could be true or you can just[..]ume all kinds of other stuff happened. I mean[..]umption never k!lled anyone. Ohhhhhh dont tell that to asbestos victims
|08-30-2012, 06:31 PM||away - #74|
|08-30-2012, 06:41 PM||away - #75|
|08-30-2012, 06:43 PM||away - #76|
I'm not arguing for creationism. I'm saying they both rely on[..]umptions. The only difference is what they are called. Some people call their[..]umptions faith and others call their[..]umptions scientific fact. You can't say my[..]umptions proved your[..]umptions wrong just because you call it something different.
Yes, you can observe decay. We have only observed it for about 100 years and used this small fraction of time to model how it behaved billion of years ago. Yes, that is an[..]umption because we can't prove how something decayed billion of years ago. We can only make the reasonable[..]umption that it is pretty constant over long period of time. Can I observe a car going 55 MPH for 10 mins and[..]ume it will be going 55 MPH 10 hours later? That's what we are essentially doing. The statistical law for radioactive decay[..]ume the decay constant does not depend on time or number of atoms present. Show many any reputable source that doesn't state this[..]umption.
And no, I'm not a freshman or sophomore. I already have my degree. Decay[..]umptions are very basic concepts. It's not on the level of using intertial confinement to create fusion energy with Deuterium and Tritium.
|08-30-2012, 06:47 PM||away - #77|
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|08-30-2012, 06:53 PM||away - #79|
I really dont want to continue this discussion anymore, there are a lot of ignorant close minded religious/godly sentiments in this biitch. If you haven't taken any biology, or evolution courses. And you are a uni student i suggest you take a 101.
This will probably be my final rant. Im truly annoyed with some of the comments that continue to say "there could be a god..." "There is a god".
To say you believe in god and you know there is a god etc. Is absolutely absurd. It shows your lack of ability to rationalize, and think critically.
Religion and their God(s) created an easy way for individuals to avoid doing any thinking for themselves. Why ask questions, why look for answers, just say that god did/will do it and fuk off with sciences. This is why you cannot believe in god(s) you are doing yourself an injustice.
The Scientific Method allows you to form a question or hypothesis, AND TEST IT. After the results you choose to accept it, or falsify based on your observations from the tests. If you have a hypothesis like "Did god create the world we live in, along with its inhabitants." How can you test this? You simply cannot, therefor WHY WASTE YOUR FUKING TIME believing something you cannot test, or observe for yourself? ITS STUPID, ITS FUKING DUMB, YOUR WASTING YOUR BRAIN CELLS.
If we were all stupid fuking religious god thrusting morons... Science wouldn't exist, we wouldn't have any answers to the tough questions. We would still think that the earth is the center of the solar system. And i shiit you not niccas in ancient times believed "God" placed us in the center. WRONG WRONG, FUKING MOTHER FUKING WRONG. Religion and god is all bullshiit, it limits free thinking, an inhibits the human brain from thinking critically.
Do you know how easy it is to look at the stars and say... I wonder where stars come from? God made em. Fuking hell man.
Now on to evolution...
YOU CAN TEST EVOLUTION, YOU CAN WITNESS EVOLUTION. There are many ways to show evolution is obviously on the right track to figuring out this thing called LIFE.
We have physical evidence, fossil records... We can test these, there are many many method you can test to find the Age of fossil... With genetic testing we have managed to go even further. Anatomy again, Another fuking test. This is hard work testing, but its rewarding you know why... Because you find the fuking truth. You test test test, falsify and accept.
NO ONE, can test if "God" created all you see. But we can test evolutionary theories. And we have accepted it. By we the scientific community, because there is evidence, you can observe it with your fuking eyes.
If you pray to god(s) and say god(s) created "insert object, thing" what ever. You are wasting your time on this earth. The human race does not need you, we need people we are going to question, test, and help us evolve technologically. So we can improve life, because we only have 5 billion years left before the sun blows up.<NOT JOKING. So lets cut the bullshiit, and stop playing around with fairy tales and mystical stories. Lets get real, with facts, and intellectual notions, things we can test.
Stop following a religion, be your own person, dont let a book/deity/being what ever, control your life. THINK MAN, FUKING THINK. USE YOUR BRAIN. Sit down one day, write down 10 questions about anything. Google it... See how many list god in their sources.
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|08-30-2012, 06:54 PM||away - #80|
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