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 08-08-2012, 10:16 AMaway - #121
Dos-effect
secks is secks, anal, !!, va-jay-jay, mouth, oral, whatever the !! it dont matter.........If anal secks was a sin the !! would not have a secksual stimulant that induces orgasm(ask ya !!), if !! was only meant to be penetrated the cl!t would be much deeper in the va-jay-jay wall dont you think? secks is not a sin, and same secks is not a sin............its just secks...........also heterosecksuality is not even a universal law........several species on this planet reproduce without male and female counterpart........so lets the wimps be and stop worrying about what so called GOD thinks...........Omnipotence could give a !! about secks or who sleeps with who.............it does not matter.........in the main scale of things..........all that matters is acceptance of others and others decisions in life........which has always been a problem for human beings, especially in this country.
 08-08-2012, 10:24 AMaway - #122
stlcardinals19
Originally Posted by abstractq
then why is the punishment for homosecksuality stoning?
Eating shrimp and planting 2 seeds in one hole is also punishable by stoning too.[pic]

Pretty sure those aren't innately immoral too.
 08-08-2012, 10:42 AMaway - #123
abstractq
Verse?

cause from what I remember most of the dietary laws call certain foods detest@ble for mankind, not punishable by stoning

and of course the strict dietary rules are only a part of God's covenant with Moses, whereas the problem with homosecksuality runs from Sodom and Gomorrah all the way through the New Testament
 08-08-2012, 11:03 AMaway - #124
stlcardinals19
Originally Posted by abstractq
Verse?

cause from what I remember most of the dietary laws call certain foods detest@ble for mankind, not punishable by stoning

and of course the strict dietary rules are only a part of God's covenant with Moses, whereas the problem with homosecksuality runs from Sodom and Gomorrah all the way through the New Testament
Leviticus 19:19
You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with another kind: you shall not sow your field with mixed seed: neither shall a garment of mixed linen and wool come upon you.



And yea, you're right. I spoke outta turn and claimed, incorrectly, they were punishable by stoning, HOWEVER, they're still considered Abominations, though. As for the S & G story, I always considered that to be a story of hospitality.
 08-08-2012, 11:16 AMaway - #125
abstractq
When God calls them abominations (the dietary laws) He says that these foods shall be abominations to YOU. . .which is basically a proclamation of the dietary law

Which again is something that was designed for Moses and his people. Before that time, men were permitted to eat any living thing. . .thats in Genesis

Then in the New Testament, Jesus says man can go back to eating everything


As far as S&G, you not paying attention. The angels went to Sodom and went to stay with Lot. then what happened? The villagers came and wanted to have secks with the angels thinking that they were men. Lot begged them not to do it and offered his own daughters up to have secks with the villagers

Lot also called homosecksual activity wicked there . ..and this should put into perspective how abhorrent homosecksuality is in the Bible because Lot was willing to offer up his own virgin daughters to prevent the homo secks


And i'm only picking on homosecksuality cause of this Chick Fil-A situation. Adultery, beastiality, incest fall under this same category of homosecksuality and are abominations to God

Last edited by abstractq; 08-08-2012 at 11:27 AM..
 08-08-2012, 11:28 AMaway - #126
kb2602
i dont know maybe im missing something but dude never said he has any hatred for gay people or his restaurant wont sell food to gay people, so i dont see what the problem is, dude gave his personal opinion on marriage and he said he rides with the biblical point of view and thats the end of it, im sorry the gay community is making something outta nothing [pic]
 08-08-2012, 12:22 PMaway - #127
stlcardinals19
Originally Posted by abstractq
When God calls them abominations (the dietary laws) He says that these foods shall be abominations to YOU. . .which is basically a proclamation of the dietary law

Which again is something that was designed for Moses and his people. Before that time, men were permitted to eat any living thing. . .thats in Genesis

Then in the New Testament, Jesus says man can go back to eating everything
You're correct that those laws were made for Moses and his people to grow and prosper. Having secks w/another man will not grow those people. It doesn't help expanding #s but it's not something immoral, IMO.


As far as S&G, you not paying attention. The angels went to Sodom and went to stay with Lot. then what happened? The villagers came and wanted to have secks with the angels thinking that they were men. Lot begged them not to do it and offered his own daughters up to have secks with the villagers

Lot also called homosecksual activity wicked there . ..and this should put into perspective how abhorrent homosecksuality is in the Bible because Lot was willing to offer up his own virgin daughters to prevent the homo secks


And i'm only picking on homosecksuality cause of this Chick Fil-A situation. Adultery, beastiality, incest fall under this same category of homosecksuality and are abominations to God
I'm looking at this in the context of its times. IIRC, S&G was a prosperous city leery of strangers. The angels show up, and those w/in the city are angered that he's hosting these strangers, and they intend to humiliate them. Remember, in THOSE times, raping of another man was considered utter humiliation, opposing armies did this to each other. As such, the city was unhospitable to the guests which is a big no-no, right? And wasn't the city doomed to begin with, and the terrible hospitality the nail in the coffin?
 08-08-2012, 12:36 PMaway - #128
abstractq
The city was doomed to begin with because of its homosecksuality. Later in the Bible, when they speak about S&G, it says that the cities were destroyed because of their lusts not because of their lack of hospitality

"Remember, in THOSE times, raping of another man was considered utter humiliation"

in what times? Sodom and Gomorrah is the first Biblical mention of homosecksuality


Let me ask you tho. . .do you consider incest immoral? Do you consider bestiality immoral? Or were those laws also only for Moses and his people?

Homosecksuality is mentioned right next to those sins

Jesus came and lifted most of the dietary restrictions, but the New Testament still speaks against homos though


again . .these acts are abominations for all times
 08-08-2012, 12:44 PMaway - #129
abstractq
btw. . .the dietary laws weren't made so that Moses's people could "grow and prosper". If it was a matter of survival, then these laws would have been put into place with Adam and Eve, when they really needed to reproduce

Or Noah when again there weren't alot of people left


The dietary laws are there as a test of faith for his people. The israelites were hard headed. They used to question and disobey Moses all the time, so God gave them harsher restrictions. . .
 08-08-2012, 01:23 PMaway - #130
stlcardinals19
Originally Posted by abstractq
The city was doomed to begin with because of its homosecksuality. Later in the Bible, when they speak about S&G, it says that the cities were destroyed because of their lusts not because of their lack of hospitality

"Remember, in THOSE times, raping of another man was considered utter humiliation"

in what times? Sodom and Gomorrah is the first Biblical mention of homosecksuality
In Biblical times, or in BC-era times, however you'd like to word it. And you're sure it was condemned before due to homosecksuality? I'm only reading that it was judged a sinful place, but no specific mention of Homosecksuality.

Let me ask you tho. . .do you consider incest immoral? Do you consider bestiality immoral? Or were those laws also only for Moses and his people?

Homosecksuality is mentioned right next to those sins

Jesus came and lifted most of the dietary restrictions, but the New Testament still speaks against homos though


again . .these acts are abominations for all times
For me, everything w/the exception of bestiality is fine w/me. If its two consenting adults then I'm alright w/it. Then again, I'm speaking as an American who really doesn't care too much for the Bible[pic]
 08-08-2012, 01:37 PMaway - #131
stlcardinals19
Originally Posted by abstractq
btw. . .the dietary laws weren't made so that Moses's people could "grow and prosper". If it was a matter of survival, then these laws would have been put into place with Adam and Eve, when they really needed to reproduce

Or Noah when again there weren't alot of people left


The dietary laws are there as a test of faith for his people. The israelites were hard headed. They used to question and disobey Moses all the time, so God gave them harsher restrictions. . .
I think we're getting confused here. I simply used shrimp as a way of showing abomination isn't something immoral. I'm referring to the Holiness Codes in Leviticus. Don't those apply to the people of Moses, or is that for priests only? I honestly don't know.
 08-08-2012, 01:55 PMaway - #132
abstractq
Originally Posted by stlcardinals19
In Biblical times, or in BC-era times, however you'd like to word it. And you're sure it was condemned before due to homosecksuality? I'm only reading that it was judged a sinful place, but no specific mention of Homosecksuality.



For me, everything w/the exception of bestiality is fine w/me. If its two consenting adults then I'm alright w/it. Then again, I'm speaking as an American who really doesn't care too much for the Bible[pic]

cause you're only reading the story in Genesis. . .Sodom and Gomorrah is referenced in other places in the Bible where they say that the cities were destroyed because of their lusts. . .not no damn lack of hospitality

now, absent what you believe about consensual secks. . . In the Bible, is incest something that is OK? Is bestiality? Is adultery?

because, after all we're talking about the Biblical view of homosecksuality. . .Homosecksuality is mentioned in verses with bestiality as far as being an abomination to God

Sorry, but there is no way to spin it to say that God as described in the Bible condones homosecksuality at all. . .

btw, I'm not christian either, but I do know the Bible fairly well tho. . .
 08-08-2012, 01:56 PMaway - #133
Ham Rove
is there really a debate over what the bible says? Honestly other than religious people, who gives a !! what the bible says?
 08-08-2012, 02:03 PMaway - #134
stlcardinals19
Originally Posted by abstractq
cause you're only reading the story in Genesis. . .Sodom and Gomorrah is referenced in other places in the Bible where they say that the cities were destroyed because of their lusts. . .not no damn lack of hospitality

now, absent what you believe about consensual secks. . . In the Bible, is incest something that is OK? Is bestiality? Is adultery?

because, after all we're talking about the Biblical view of homosecksuality. . .Homosecksuality is mentioned in verses with bestiality as far as being an abomination to God

Sorry, but there is no way to spin it to say that God as described in the Bible condones homosecksuality at all. . .

btw, I'm not christian either, but I do know the Bible fairly well tho. . .
I guess you're right. In the Biblical sense that some of those things are wrong, but I still don't think they don't have a concept of what Homosecksuality is today, the loving relationships we see today. Not the exploitive ones we saw in the Bible. I don't quite understand why that one thing is being stood out that all American Christians should be up in arms about.
 08-08-2012, 02:06 PMaway - #135
stlcardinals19
Originally Posted by NoTitleSince73
is there really a debate over what the bible says? Honestly other than religious people, who gives a !! what the bible says?
Unfortunately for some, the religious ones are the majority here, and so their Bible is in the forefront. If we can clarify things regarding Homosecksuality, perhaps enough opinions can be swayed.
 08-08-2012, 02:12 PMaway - #136
abstractq
In the Bible it says men should not lay with a man like you lay with a woman. . .its easy to then draw out that the secksual relationships you have with women, whether they are loving or not, shouldnt be done with a man

The reason why american christians are all up in arms over it is because to most people its repulsive. I cringe any time i see two dudes kissing

Lesbians get more of a pass for sure. . .except them butch dykes. . .thats repulsive too
 08-08-2012, 02:17 PMaway - #137
Ham Rove
I still don't see the relevance of the bible, there is tons of !! in the bible "Christians" ignore. They could just as easily ignore this.
 08-08-2012, 02:32 PMaway - #138
stlcardinals19
Originally Posted by abstractq
In the Bible it says men should not lay with a man like you lay with a woman. . .its easy to then draw out that the secksual relationships you have with women, whether they are loving or not, shouldnt be done with a man

The reason why american christians are all up in arms over it is because to most people its repulsive. I cringe any time i see two dudes kissing

Lesbians get more of a pass for sure. . .except them butch dykes. . .thats repulsive too
If something is "icky", then that's not reason to discriminate or deny rights to them, if you ask me. I think cigarettes are the nastiest things in life, to the point I can't even eat if I'm near one, but I'm not gonna take away their right to smoke.
 08-08-2012, 02:41 PMaway - #139
abstractq
I'm not trying to take away their rights either. . .

all i'm saying is i respect chick fil-a for claiming to be a christian company and actually following through with what they claim to believe in while still respecting american laws by not discriminating against them in business
 08-08-2012, 03:44 PMaway - #140
stlcardinals19
Originally Posted by abstractq
I'm not trying to take away their rights either. . .

all i'm saying is i respect chick fil-a for claiming to be a christian company and actually following through with what they claim to believe in while still respecting american laws by not discriminating against them in business
I get you, and CFA has in the business practices never done wrong to Gays, but their contributions and funding to groups that DO in fact practice those actions are unforgivable in my eyes, and I won't be spending my money there...........though that Breakfast Chicken sandwhich w/the Egg on top is simply [pic]
 
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