If You're A REAL Hopkins Fan...

Calzaghe is overhyped? ok maybe by UK fans but RJJ is overhyped by USA fans..

I don't bother arguing anymore, all Hopkins fans are idiots

lol...if that's what you'd like to believe so be it...fact is americans don't really care where a fighter is from we just like to see the best...you saw when hatton came over he was cheered by many...same with mexican and puerto rican fighters....fact is the only people who think calzaghe and these european fighters are these all mighty superior boxers are people who are from that country.That's fine...their is always delusional home town fans in every sport...you just happen to be one of them...look who you named as his credentials....manfredo (lol..a contender fighter who came and stood there and is just a journeymen),bika (for real?),lacy (about as one dimensional as it gets and barely pulled out victories over washed up bums before calzaghe),i'll give him credit for kessler and hopkins (although kessler is another who won't come over and really fight the top)...that's it...who else has he beaten to be the p4p God you guys act like he is?

and lol...calzaghe didn't even put a scratch on hopkins face...how would he have beat the !! out of him if he let his hands go.hopkins stood there in front of him the entire night and joe couldn't hit him

name one time when joe stepped in the ring with somebody who was on top of the world at the time.All great champions have done it....roys done it....hopkins has done....joe hasn't.The closest he has is hopkins and hopkins is old and not in his weight class.now he goes with jones which is about the same if not bigger and jones is washed up at this point in his career.He had his chance to fight the best in their prime and he stayed over in wales claiming everybody was duckin him.Then when everybody starts losing and getting old and the division has nobody he wants to man up and fight them...get the !! outta here

lol look at his opponents...his resume before hopkins was no better then sergio mora haha...he has a victory over lacy and manfredo (mora has a victory over manfredo and forrest)...before his fight with lacy other than chriseubank not ONE...i repeat..NOT one fighter on his resume can anybody say damn i remember when that guy fought on hbo/showtime against so and so cause they're nobodies.A fabricated record just like most european fighters.Which is why they are always 50-0 and get no recognition

LOL at using that. That only goes to highlight how out of touch Americans are with reality. Because you're so used to playing American sports with no internetional competition.

Of course people root for their own. It's the same EVERYWHERE in the world. But there is a difference between rooting for your own and overhyping on the basis of where someones from.

You can't even use that bull!! argument on me, because i was up on here backing Mayweather to beat Hatton!

So fans shouldn't be brought into question. Infact the only reason you bring them into the scenario is to draw the debate from my points.

Secondly. I didn't list any of those men for credentials. You illiterate prick. If you could read, you'd clearly understand my post. I was naming a list of fighters who since i've been on boxden, i've been told by various Yanks in the lead up that they'd beat Calzaghe.

To make it simpler. I was telling Silly American fan #536 that i've been told the EXACT same bull!! regarding Calzaghe losing before his last 5 fights! And none of the predictions from the American side have held weight. None.

You're any kid with no boxing knowledge talking !! because your hometown hero is waste.

When did he have his best to fight the best? When? Jones said himself he didn't take the Calzaghe fight because he was too much of a risk.

Hopkins has and will always be a !!. So for a Hopkins groupie to be running around questioning another boxers credentials?

Who has Hopkins fought?

The fact is, Hopkins has had !! opposition too. It doesn't take anything away from Hopkins. The only difference is Hopkins opponents were overhyped Americans. So he gets credit for taking on these 'name' fighters.

It's typical American arrogance. You have to face the 'best' in the 'home' of the best. Who's the 'best'? Americans. Where's the 'home'? America.

The fact is an out of prime Joe beat an out of prime Hopkins.

These are the facts. Everything else is speculation.

actually yes america is where the best fight.I'm not saying americans are the best fighters but this is where everyone comes to fight.It's just like soccer,rugby,and hockey...americans might have a top player but if they ain't going to where the big dogs are fighting they can't claim to be the best..simple as that

and get outta here with the jones comment he says that to hype the fight.The reason it never went off is because joe wouldn't leave wales and from his pro debut roy said he'd never fight overseas after getting robbed in the olympics.Now that he has tasted defeat he doesn't care where he fights because he has already taken the loss he never wanted

lol i'm not a hopkins fan...i respect the guy for what he's done but far from my favorite.Maybe if "YOU" could read you "ILLITERATE PRICK" you would have seen what i said about hopkins until you started crying because your hometown boy is being questioned and you can't take it

Calzaghe is from Wales. I wish you Yanks would stop making the presumption that he's getting support from people on the basis of country. ENGLISH PEOPLE HATE WELSH SHEEP SHAGGERS! The equivelant would be me claiming a Canadian is supporting Hopkins on the basis of Hopkins being a "home town boy"... It makes no sense. There is no logic in such a claim. And it only highlights your lack of knowledge on the relationship between English and Welsh.

you say don't bring the fans into it but that's all you're doing...sayin how this guy or that guy said manfredo was going to beat calzaghe...wtf that got to with me?That !! was not once said in my gym or anybody i talk to....the fights were barelt spoke of at all...you had an overrated european nobody cares about against somebody who if he wasn't on the contender would never be known

What does it have to do with you? I told you, it was quite clear. You came with the nonsense experiance, ins and outs of the industry rubbish that every other nay saying hater has used to put down Joe, just before Joe turns around and wins the fight. I am comparing you to the same idiots who said Manfredo would win, or Bika, or Lacy, or Hopkins, or Kessler. Get it? You're no different. You all have little boxing knowledge but preached like what you're saying was truth. You will be the same, when Jones get's smashed.

tell me why joe is as good as you say he is.Who has he beat?I mean seriously....i'm not saying the guy is a bum (i just say that cause it seems to hurt ur feelings) but he is nowhere close to one of the best ever like you would like to believe and whether you like it or not when he's retired the only guys on his resume anybody will remember is eubank,hopkins,and jones....and he fought them all at the end of their careers.Eubanks wasb't his fault...but after eubanks he had many chances to take on top fighters and he didn't.his fault....but then again if he would have you wouldn't be talkin about him today cause he woulda been retired

Who on that list would beat Joe in his prime? Apart from the obvious of a RJJ response.

Who?

Where did i ever make the cliam, or even suggest he was the best ever, or even close to it? The fact is Calzaghe does have a poor resume. But my other point is so what? You can't just go off paper. You cannot look at a mans record and judge his worth. You can't say "Oh, he hasn't fought who i'd liked him to have fought, he's therefore over rated European !!"... It doesn't work that way.

The fact is Calzaghe is one of the best fighters we have in the industry today. And also one of the most exciting fighters around. And the amount of spite and smear campaigns towards the guy, from bitter d*ckheads on the basis that he's European, and therefore must be hype, is irritating.

Calzaghe is a grade A fighter. Always has been and always will be. Whether he would have lost to Jones or Hopkins in their prime isn't known. you can't just say he didn't fight them, therefore he was ducking them and they would have beat himm. That's retarded. If you watch the mans fights you'll know he could have gone toe to toe with both those men in their primes up until the final bell..

They just have to their credit, slightly(not much), slightly better resumes. But resumes don't make fighters.

Anyway i'll leave it there. You obviously are into your boxing if you mention Eubank as a class opponent, and even go as far as spelling his name right[pic]

this guy is funny....either you are trying to compare calzaghe's opponents to hopkins (which u'd be retarded to do so) or you really can't understand what i'm saying.

I'm not sayingjoe would have lost to any decent challenger.I'm sayin we DO NOT KNOW because he's never took that risk.The guys hopkins fought were ranked p4p in the world and caused a threat.But if you wanna know guys i think would have a shot to beat joe (don't even know why i'm saying this cause ur such a d*ckrider u'll say they don't stand a chance against the almighty joe) are....

trinidad,taylor,jones,wright,echols,griffin,glen johnson...hell even a younger howard eastmen or pavlik

REPEAT ------->>>> i am not saying these guys would beat calzaghe although some i think would.I am saying these are the caliber of guys he is missing from his resume.He fights guys nobody knows who are FOR SURE wins and then his fans demand respect for him.For what?

You're all morons. How can you hype Hopkins over Calzaghe when Calzaghe beat him?

The Hopkins who thought Pavlik would have taken a far more thorough beating if he thought Joe like that.

How is this so difficult for you people to grasp? The only reason Hopkins survived is because he was scared to fight Calzaghe. If Hopkins had the stomach to try and fight Calzaghe in the same fashion he tried to fight Pavlik he would be dismantled, and massacred.

Hopkins got the best result he could have gotten against Joe by fighting on the back foot and clinching every time Joe threw.

That is the only way for Hopkins to take a respectable loss to Calzaghe. To fight on his backfoot and clinch. If he fought in a more agressive and open manner like he did Pavlik he would have been utterly destroyed. Hopkins knows this, which is why Hopkins fought in the manner in which he fought when fighting Calzaghe.

Secondly. Whoever said Joe needs to get a chin is a !!ing idiot. That's one thing you can't say Joe doesn't have. He has a jaw of granite. He just got caught slippin.

And Hopkins is in no position to be calling out Roy after the amount of running hiding and blatant !!ry Old man Hop has done regarding a fight with Jones.

name one time when joe stepped in the ring with somebody who was on top of the world at the time.All great champions have done it....roys done it....hopkins has done....joe hasn't.The closest he has is hopkins and hopkins is old and not in his weight class.now he goes with jones which is about the same if not bigger and jones is washed up at this point in his career.He had his chance to fight the best in their prime and he stayed over in wales claiming everybody was duckin him.Then when everybody starts losing and getting old and the division has nobody he wants to man up and fight them...get the !! outta here

When did he have his best to fight the best? When? Jones said himself he didn't take the Calzaghe fight because he was too much of a risk.

Hopkins has and will always be a !!. So for a Hopkins groupie to be running around questioning another boxers credentials?

Who has Hopkins fought?

The fact is, Hopkins has had !! opposition too. It doesn't take anything away from Hopkins. The only difference is Hopkins opponents were overhyped Americans. So he gets credit for taking on these 'name' fighters.

It's typical American arrogance. You have to face the 'best' in the 'home' of the best. Who's the 'best'? Americans. Where's the 'home'? America.

The fact is an out of prime Joe beat an out of prime Hopkins.

These are the facts. Everything else is speculation.

lmao. WHAT?
have you ever seen a joe calzaghe fight?
who has he ever dismantled.
dude got NO power.

he was damn near KO'd in the second.

and the only reason he won was cus he pulled a Sugar Ray vs Hagler and threw a bunch of nut[..] flurry pitter patter punches in the last 10 seconds of the round to score points.

!! fight were you watchin homeboy?

Calzaghe couldnt dismantle a 8 year old.

you're a complete !!in idiot.

Hopkins fought roy in his prime. and took a respectable loss.
then he fought iffy dudes until he got the Trinidad fight.
Then dethroned a Trinidad in his PRIME.
trinidad was amazing at that point in his career, and after that bernard fight, trinidad retired.
so. it was obviously a serious beatdown.

fought jermain taylor, we all know about that first fight robbery

beat winky wright
beat kelly pavlik
beat oscar de la hoya

those few fighters i just listed out of a ton of other ones.

name me 3 that calzaghe fought that were even on any of those fighters levels?

NONE.

Joe is !!.
ill smack him out his !!in [!][..] members only jacket

Bernard_Hopkins: Thank you to everybody for tuning in on Oct 18th for another historic performance and thank you for tuning in today to this chat.
Bernard_Hopkins: I am a champ like the Phillies
vertigoking: nice

El_Jefe: Bernard,

If a fight with Roy Jones or Joe Calzaghe does not materialize, would you be willing to fight Light Heavyweight champion Chad Dawson? Also, how much longer do you plan on fighting?

Bernard_Hopkins: well
Bernard_Hopkins: first of all if the fight doesnt happen with Roy I dont think a fight with Joe is interesting enough to where I could fight him again and people want to see me fight him again
Bernard_Hopkins: and to me Chad isnt marketable enough yet. He is a young champion a good fighter but…
Bernard_Hopkins: he fights on Showtime and hasn't been in that big event to make it an interesting fight
Bernard_Hopkins: as for my time left in boxing I dont really have a time frame
Bernard_Hopkins: it could have been Oct 18th to be honest
Bernard_Hopkins: it all depends on November 8th
Bernard_Hopkins: it has to be worth it to me to fight
Bernard_Hopkins: if I fight to just fight I would have retired a while ago but it has to be the right thing the right opponent
Bernard_Hopkins: I dont want to hustle my legacy like that
Bernard_Hopkins: a fight with Jones would be worth it to me
Bernard_Hopkins: Joe or Chad not really

El_Jefe: What's up champ!

Thanks for coming and thanks for being the underdog against Tarver, Wright & Pavlik. Times are hard and the extra money from your efforts is appreciated.

That was a magical night. What goes through your head when you have someone so mentally and physically owned from the outset?

What Middleweight from the past would you lock horns with and why?

What's your take on Paul Williams & Chad dawson?

Bernard_Hopkins: this fight was a little more special
Bernard_Hopkins: not only did I have to win but win impressively to prove a point to those who dismissed me after the Joe fight
Bernard_Hopkins: every fight is fought differently
Bernard_Hopkins: this one I had to be on all 8 cylinders
Bernard_Hopkins: a lot had to do with Kelly because he is a strong young champion
Bernard_Hopkins: but a lot had to do with that I could do it
Bernard_Hopkins: the best go up against the best
Bernard_Hopkins: Hagler, Briscoe, Robinson would be the ones I would want to fight
Bernard_Hopkins: Briscoe because he is a philly legend
Bernard_Hopkins: the rest speaks for themselves
Bernard_Hopkins: Monzon would be up there too
Bernard_Hopkins: but those names I know would be competitive and intriguing to me
Bernard_Hopkins: Williams and Dawson I like. I like all these young guys even a guy like Berto. Dawson is a bit green Williams is something special. All these fighters got talent but they all also have flaws in their game as well.
Bernard_Hopkins: sometimes I think to myself damn I wish we had that guy or why didn't we sign this guy but nah they are all good young champions and it is nice to have these types of champions to pass the torch of boxing on to.

El_Jefe: Thanks for stopping by Bernard!

I personally rank your destruction of Kelly Pavlik as the #1 most impressive thing I have seen in this sport by a man over forty, and it ranks up there in the all-time as well. I did pick against you but I was happy to be proven wrong.

How did it feel to prove EVERYONE wrong? I can't think of a single person in the boxing media that picked against Pavlik. Seeing you look each of them in the eye before the decision was announced was one of the greatest things I have seen.
Bernard_Hopkins: emotional
Bernard_Hopkins: as I stare out into the media press row
Bernard_Hopkins: I promised not to brag or boast but in my mind I understood how I was going to represent this victory
Bernard_Hopkins: to me I proved that age wasn't an inhibitor
Bernard_Hopkins: that if this was the fight
Bernard_Hopkins: 43 going on 44
Bernard_Hopkins: that I showed the critics they better enjoy me while they can
Bernard_Hopkins: that 43 for me is not the normal 43
prodigious1: Bernard Hopkins- fighter of this generation. Period.
Bernard_Hopkins: especically after the Joe fight
Bernard_Hopkins: I didn't want to just win but win impressively
Bernard_Hopkins: Pavlik will be back and strong if he realizes that this was a learning lesson rather than a beatdown or whatever
Bernard_Hopkins: with this fight I beat the corner first before I beat the fighter. I beat Jack first then I beat his fighter
Bernard_Hopkins: the corner was shocked when they saw what I could do in there. See they[..]umed that I was the guy from the Joe fight
Bernard_Hopkins: if their fighter is young and its up to the corner to guide him to tell him what to do when Plan A goes away
Bernard_Hopkins: especially a young fighter who is undefeated and knows nothing but his corner and what they have guided them to
Bernard_Hopkins: look at the fight and hear the corner
Bernard_Hopkins: they panicked
Bernard_Hopkins: a fighter can hear when a coach is worried
Bernard_Hopkins: you got to be able to camouflage that tone in your voice that sense os despait
Bernard_Hopkins: hit him in the nuts is what they told him!
Bernard_Hopkins: that's desperation
Bernard_Hopkins: everyone tries to set the precedent that I am the bad guy or the dirty fighter so they automatically look at me with this perception I am the one who is going to be dirty
True_Heffernan: "what is he going to do when he realizes he's been lied to" - Bernard

Bernard_Hopkins: exactly I see someone paid attention!
Bernard_Hopkins: but when I hear a trainer say go out and foul?
Bernard_Hopkins: my trainer never told me things like that I take responsibility
Bernard_Hopkins: my trainer never told me things like that I take responsibilty
Bernard_Hopkins: I mentioned this on the countdown
Bernard_Hopkins: where do you think Kelly is going to respond to once he gets in the ring
Bernard_Hopkins: I said that he has been lied to about what he can do
Bernard_Hopkins: once that happens he has to adjust
Bernard_Hopkins: he is the ring thinking wow this guy is nothing like the guy that fought Joe
Bernard_Hopkins: wow he is punching
Bernard_Hopkins: wow he is faster
Bernard_Hopkins: think about this
Bernard_Hopkins: when was the last time you ever saw me get beat up?
Bernard_Hopkins: I mean really beat up
Bernard_Hopkins: ever?
Bernard_Hopkins:[..] handed to me?
Bernard_Hopkins: its my defense
Bernard_Hopkins: watch how I keep my chin. It's stitched to my clavicle.
Bernard_Hopkins: why would you score throwing punches I mean anyone can throw 100s of punches but…
Bernard_Hopkins: what about the ones landed?
True_Heffernan: wooooo!
Marz: That's why i thought you beat Taylor twice
Bernard_Hopkins: yes exactly!
Bernard_Hopkins: he took a beating. Me? I left both those fights unmarked
Bernard_Hopkins: he knows it!
Bernard_Hopkins: he landed maybe 15 punches all fight?
PWillIsTheMan: second fight was a robbery. 8-4 or 9-3 pure BS
Bernard_Hopkins: another perfect example is Calzaghe
Bernard_Hopkins: people say I looked old
Bernard_Hopkins: but !! I had to duck 100s of punches so I was in constant motion
Bernard_Hopkins: here is something to think about with the Pavlik fight
Bernard_Hopkins: I went to my right
Bernard_Hopkins: why?
Bernard_Hopkins: because Pavlik can throw a right accross his body
Bernard_Hopkins: I knew that
Bernard_Hopkins: he wasnt taught this
Marz: I had you beating Calzaghe, but that fight was ugly though, and ugly to score

Bernard_Hopkins: lets go back to memory lane
Bernard_Hopkins: lets go back to Tito
Bernard_Hopkins: he was undefeated
Bernard_Hopkins: and another young gun a young champion
Bernard_Hopkins: looking to make me his mark
Marz: classic chat
Bernard_Hopkins: and what happened
Bernard_Hopkins: it aint just me
Bernard_Hopkins: its the backing I had
Bernard_Hopkins: I had to win this fight for a lot of reasons
Bernard_Hopkins: they were challenging my heart
Bernard_Hopkins: my legacy
Bernard_Hopkins: cars and money dont go to the graveyard with you
Bernard_Hopkins: its what you left on this earth
Bernard_Hopkins: how people remember
Bernard_Hopkins: I am making sure I leave my legacy in tact in a position where there isn’t any doubt about what I accomplished
Bernard_Hopkins: I am that prime example of how you work for what you want
Bernard_Hopkins: I am that guy that pulled his bootstraps up even when the odds were stacked against me
Bernard_Hopkins: like my fan Sean
Bernard_Hopkins: who passed
Bernard_Hopkins: he was only given two weeks
Bernard_Hopkins: he lived 12!!!
Bernard_Hopkins: everything in boxing I did off emotions and promotions but I was left on this earth for a reason
Bernard_Hopkins: I am leaving enough of a footprint so my fans like Sean my nieces and nephews can look at me as an example