If You're A REAL Hopkins Fan...
|10-31-2008, 10:46 AM||online - #21|
|10-31-2008, 10:54 AM||online - #22|
lol look at his opponents...his resume before hopkins was no better then sergio mora haha...he has a victory over lacy and manfredo (mora has a victory over manfredo and forrest)...before his fight with lacy other than chriseubank not ONE...i repeat..NOT one fighter on his resume can anybody say damn i remember when that guy fought on hbo/showtime against so and so cause they're nobodies.A fabricated record just like most european fighters.Which is why they are always 50-0 and get no recognition
|10-31-2008, 11:11 AM||away - #23|
Of course people root for their own. It's the same EVERYWHERE in the world. But there is a difference between rooting for your own and overhyping on the basis of where someones from.
You can't even use that bull!! argument on me, because i was up on here backing Mayweather to beat Hatton!
So fans shouldn't be brought into question. Infact the only reason you bring them into the scenario is to draw the debate from my points.
Secondly. I didn't list any of those men for credentials. You illiterate prick. If you could read, you'd clearly understand my post. I was naming a list of fighters who since i've been on boxden, i've been told by various Yanks in the lead up that they'd beat Calzaghe.
To make it simpler. I was telling Silly American fan #536 that i've been told the EXACT same bull!! regarding Calzaghe losing before his last 5 fights! And none of the predictions from the American side have held weight. None.
You're any kid with no boxing knowledge talking !! because your hometown hero is waste.
|10-31-2008, 11:20 AM||away - #24|
Hopkins has and will always be a !!. So for a Hopkins groupie to be running around questioning another boxers credentials?
Who has Hopkins fought?
The fact is, Hopkins has had !! opposition too. It doesn't take anything away from Hopkins. The only difference is Hopkins opponents were overhyped Americans. So he gets credit for taking on these 'name' fighters.
It's typical American arrogance. You have to face the 'best' in the 'home' of the best. Who's the 'best'? Americans. Where's the 'home'? America.
The fact is an out of prime Joe beat an out of prime Hopkins.
These are the facts. Everything else is speculation.
|10-31-2008, 11:21 AM||away - #25|
Who on that list would beat Joe in his prime? Apart from the obvious of a RJJ response.
|10-31-2008, 11:22 AM||online - #26|
you say don't bring the fans into it but that's all you're doing...sayin how this guy or that guy said manfredo was going to beat calzaghe...wtf that got to with me?That !! was not once said in my gym or anybody i talk to....the fights were barelt spoke of at all...you had an overrated european nobody cares about against somebody who if he wasn't on the contender would never be known
tell me why joe is as good as you say he is.Who has he beat?I mean seriously....i'm not saying the guy is a bum (i just say that cause it seems to hurt ur feelings) but he is nowhere close to one of the best ever like you would like to believe and whether you like it or not when he's retired the only guys on his resume anybody will remember is eubank,hopkins,and jones....and he fought them all at the end of their careers.Eubanks wasb't his fault...but after eubanks he had many chances to take on top fighters and he didn't.his fault....but then again if he would have you wouldn't be talkin about him today cause he woulda been retired
|10-31-2008, 11:27 AM||online - #27|
and get outta here with the jones comment he says that to hype the fight.The reason it never went off is because joe wouldn't leave wales and from his pro debut roy said he'd never fight overseas after getting robbed in the olympics.Now that he has tasted defeat he doesn't care where he fights because he has already taken the loss he never wanted
|10-31-2008, 11:36 AM||away - #28|
|10-31-2008, 11:46 AM||away - #29|
The fact is Calzaghe is one of the best fighters we have in the industry today. And also one of the most exciting fighters around. And the amount of spite and smear campaigns towards the guy, from bitter d*ckheads on the basis that he's European, and therefore must be hype, is irritating.
Calzaghe is a grade A fighter. Always has been and always will be. Whether he would have lost to Jones or Hopkins in their prime isn't known. you can't just say he didn't fight them, therefore he was ducking them and they would have beat himm. That's retarded. If you watch the mans fights you'll know he could have gone toe to toe with both those men in their primes up until the final bell..
They just have to their credit, slightly(not much), slightly better resumes. But resumes don't make fighters.
Anyway i'll leave it there. You obviously are into your boxing if you mention Eubank as a class opponent, and even go as far as spelling his name right[pic]
|10-31-2008, 03:00 PM||online - #30|
I'm not sayingjoe would have lost to any decent challenger.I'm sayin we DO NOT KNOW because he's never took that risk.The guys hopkins fought were ranked p4p in the world and caused a threat.But if you wanna know guys i think would have a shot to beat joe (don't even know why i'm saying this cause ur such a d*ckrider u'll say they don't stand a chance against the almighty joe) are....
trinidad,taylor,jones,wright,echols,griffin,glen johnson...hell even a younger howard eastmen or pavlik
REPEAT ------->>>> i am not saying these guys would beat calzaghe although some i think would.I am saying these are the caliber of guys he is missing from his resume.He fights guys nobody knows who are FOR SURE wins and then his fans demand respect for him.For what?
|10-31-2008, 03:13 PM||online - #31|
i'll leave it at this because u do not back ur argument up with anything except saying i know nothing about boxing when that is so off base it's ridiculous....anyway i'll leave it at this.If you can't reply and tell me a top guy calzaghe beat when they were in their prime (somebody listed p4p in the world) or tell me why he is great then shut the !! up and don't even reply.If you do and doesn't say who he beat don't expect a response
|10-31-2008, 03:14 PM||away - #32|
I'm simply disagreeing. Half those guys are over rated themselfs.
What i'm saying is, surely, as a boxing fan, who knows the ins and outs... While you recognise Calzaghes record leaves a lot to be desired, from watching his fights you should be able to judge his worth.
That is my point. You shouldn't need a record to judge a man, sure it helps. But i'm saying you should be able to watch Joe fight and say to yourself "he'd beat Taylor, he'd beat Pavlik" etc.
Do you understand my point? You do not need a brilliant record to gain respect.
|10-31-2008, 03:17 PM||away - #33|
Just to make it clear i'm tryna get away from the insult game.
As you mentioned Eubank in a list of Calzaghes reputable opponents, which i think is a first on boxden, so respect for that alone.
|11-02-2008, 07:27 AM||away - #34|
have you ever seen a joe calzaghe fight?
who has he ever dismantled.
dude got NO power.
he was damn near KO'd in the second.
and the only reason he won was cus he pulled a Sugar Ray vs Hagler and threw a bunch of nut[..] flurry pitter patter punches in the last 10 seconds of the round to score points.
!! fight were you watchin homeboy?
Calzaghe couldnt dismantle a 8 year old.
|11-02-2008, 07:31 AM||away - #35|
Cus pavlik's camp offered to get a fight with Calzaghe.
And Calzaghe turned it down.
HE DOESN'T WANT TO LOSE!
SO HE'll fight roy jones and then retire!?
[!]. i hope him and his family die in a plane crash.
real talk. dude is a !!in disgrace to boxing and so are his fans.
!! all yall niccas.
|11-02-2008, 07:34 AM||away - #36|
Hopkins fought roy in his prime. and took a respectable loss.
then he fought iffy dudes until he got the Trinidad fight.
Then dethroned a Trinidad in his PRIME.
trinidad was amazing at that point in his career, and after that bernard fight, trinidad retired.
so. it was obviously a serious beatdown.
fought jermain taylor, we all know about that first fight robbery
beat winky wright
beat kelly pavlik
beat oscar de la hoya
those few fighters i just listed out of a ton of other ones.
name me 3 that calzaghe fought that were even on any of those fighters levels?
Joe is !!.
ill smack him out his !!in [!][..] members only jacket
|11-02-2008, 09:01 AM||away - #37|
And obviously YOU haven't seen a Calzaghe fight if you think he has no power. Sure, his power has gone to !! recently, but he can still catch you.
Why do you think your man Hopkins was SCARED to the bone of making a move and opening up to Calzaghe, even AFTER he KNOCKED him to the floor[pic] He didn't want to go in for the k!ll, he sat back scared, because he knew his boxing limits.
Does that make sense to you? Hopkins put Calzaghe on his arse. But was still fearful of making a moving and throwing punches. Why? Because he knew he'd end up like Byron Mitchell if he went to the trading.[pic][pic]
Hopkins is a washed up joke. He took the most respectable loss and got the closest to victory he could have by fighting like a straight up !!. You can't even argue that he was being a technician. He was scared of fighting Joe.
Your man couldn't find his own corner 5 times! So there must be something in the pitter patter punches.
This is hilarious. So Calzaghe was damn near knocked out in the 2nd? But Hopkins still didn't want to move on him. Damn. That's respect if i ever saw it.
|11-02-2008, 09:18 AM||away - #38|
Jermain Taylor is straight up one of the most over rated boxers going. [pic] thinking he's somehow awe worthy opposition. Calzaghe would beat Taylor.
De La Hoyas a midget. Joe would have beat him too.
Pavlik lost to Hopkins. Calzaghe would beat him. With relative ease.
Winky Wright. Again lol. Are you serious? I mean don't get me wrong, you're naming guys who it must be said are a class above pretty much all of Joes opponents. But he'd still beat them. What is Wright going to do? He lost to old man Hop[pic]
There. 3 fighters on the same level of those guys. If not higher when comparing certain fighters.
Come to think of it. After watching Pavlik torn apart by old man Hop, i might be able to throw up another 10 fighters from Calzaghes resume who are equal to him.
The fact is, as i've said. They both have undesirable records. The guys you're listing just happen to be known stateside, and are hype. You're giving them far too much credit.
You're trying desperately to make Hopkins appear better than he is. At the end of the day he LOST to Calzaghe. So to run around talking him up after beating a one dimensional come forward punch merchant in Pavlik, it's sad.
Calzaghe IS better than Hopkins. Every day of the week. Calzaghe WILL beat Jones. Hopkins was always over rated.
These are facts.
|11-06-2008, 09:07 AM||away - #39|
^^ i love the part where you say he WOULD beat them.
if he wasn't so much of a !!, maybe he ACTUALLY would've fought them.
cus i'm pretty sure he can, or was offered fights by a few of those guys.
anyone know why the fights never happened?
probably because Calzaghe was !!in and didn't want to leave Europe?
|11-06-2008, 09:45 AM||online - #40|
chat transcript with hopkins.Dude is delusional about roy.He really thinks his resume is better lol....also thinks he's as big or bigger then roy
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