Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao [??-??-13][HBO-PPV]

I can't believe they are !!in this up.....both are to blame.This is once again floyd being floyd in havin some excuse why not to fight the guy everyone eants to see him and fight and pacman is being suspect not taking the test.So much money to be made this !! shouldn't matter

we all should have known this !! wouldn't go down after they agreed so quickly.Both guys are stubborn when it comes to negotiations and them agreein so easily should have been a red flag right there

That's EXACTLY what the !! I'm saying. I was forever saying that this fight would NEVER go down... then all of a sudden they agreed sooo !!ing fast that I felt dumb as !!! I just kept my mouth shut and went with the flow... but this !! that's happening now, is what I thought was gonna happen.

I place more blame on Pacman than anyone else. For the simple fact that he is ALWAYS a b*tch to deal with in negotiations. The fact that both the Hatton and De La Hoya fights almost didn't happen with this guy. The fact that they made Oscar come down to a weight that he hadn't fought at in a decade. Weight restrictions on Cotto.... There is always some kind of !! with this guy.

AS for Floyd, I dunno... My parents (aunts/uncles) are real old school. Often times they'll predict some outlandish !! based on absolute nonsense... that ends up being DEAD ON! Some kind of crazy parental intuition. Maybe that's what happened with Floyd, listening to Floyd Sr. Who the !! knows!!! If they have concerns within them about this... then, they should definitely voice that.

What I do know is... thousands of athletes are subject to this kind of testing (including amateur boxers). So, unless there is some kind of clash with pacman's religion... I don't understand the big deal. ESPECIALLY seeing as how just a few weeks ago Roach and Koncz were offering up pacman to any and all drug tests.

What people (INCLUDING Pacman) need to understand is.... random blood testing is NOT a punishement... it is NOT a penalty. It doesn't place one party at a disadvantage.


Anyway....


If Floyd ever decides to fight... say, Shane Mosley... I'd hope that Mayweather goes for the random blood testing again... and I hope Mosley accepts. (Although Paulie Malignaggi is being mentioned more frequently as PBF's next opponent).

i don't know who i blame more...i blame both and in my gut i blame floyd more..not because of this situation but because floyd always has some reason not to get a deal done to fight who everyone wants to see him fight.Even though pac is a !! when gettin a dea done...in the end it gets done and the fans see pac fight who they want him to fight....i can't say the same for floyd

but either way i see both of their sides and think they're being !!es at the same time.If floyd really thinks pac is using PED's and it will put him at a disadvantage i get it...also in the future olympic style drug testing should be used for all fights....at the same time does anyone really think floyd gives a !! if pac is on roids?His defense is what he relies on not outworking a guys or hitting harder....if he think pac can't hit him what's it matter?And even though i agree with this testing in the future for it to be bringing this fight down the blame has to be put on floyd especially since manny has agreed to 3 tests which in my opinion are good times to test

as fr manny...if he thinkns it will weaken him i see his point because boxing is way more mental then physical and if he thinks ihe'll be weak...he'll come out flat.At the same time he's being a !! in my opinion...it's like a teaspoon of blood and very suspect he's not taking the test when he can be makin like 40 mil

Mayweather's Adviser On The Attack: Fires at Bob Arum
By Mark Vester

Leonard Ellerbe, adviser to Floyd Mayweather Jr., fired some verbal shots at Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, promoter of Manny Pacquiao. Ellerbe tells the Grand Rapids Press that Arum has tried to mislead the public during the entire negotiations period by leaving out information. Mayweather-Pacquiao fell apart on Wednesday after the two camps could not agree on the cut-off date for random blood tests. After a nine-hour mediation on Tuesday in California, Pacquiao's camp proposed a cut-off period of 24-days before the fight, while Mayweather's camp wanted a cut-off of 14 days.

Ellerbe says the offer of 14-days was made before Tuesday's mediation.

“Arum is trying to trick the public into thinking there was no compromise at all,” Ellerbe said. “He never mentioned that a 14-day compromise was offered -- and rejected -- prior to mediation. I think it’s more than a fair compromise, particularly since, realistically, it’s not an issue that should be compromised on at all.”

Arum had said Mayweather's business adviser Al Haymon and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer had urged Mayweather to accept Pacquiao's proposal.

Ellerbe confirmed an earlier story that was posted on BoxingScene.com - by telling the paper that Haymon never made an attempt to convince Mayweather to accept Pacquiao's offer. He says Schaefer had also backed Mayweather's play.

“It’s a childish, amateurish attempt by Bob Arum to divide and conquer,” Ellerbe said. “It’s absolutely not true. It never happened. It’s a lie. I said last week that Manny Pacquiao has surrounded himself with smart people but I have to retract that statement. They’re not very smart people at all, because Manny Pacquiao is going to wake up, another deal is going to be presented to him, and he’s going to say, ‘What? I’m not going to make eight figures?’

“The bottom line is that what we’ve been proposing all along is random, Olympic-style drug testing. Why would the guy refuse random blood and urine testing? Why?”

There were a lot of dirty tactics being used during the negotiations for Mayweather-Pacquiao. Two weeks ago, a source [likely close to Mayweather] told the New York Daily News that Pacquiao's camp had asked for a penalty outline if Manny tested dirty for performance enhancing drugs. The source also claimed that Pacquiao's camp made a request for both sides to cover up any information if a test result came back positive. Tim Smith, a well-known veteran boxing writer, would not have printed the information unless it came from someone involved in the negotiations.

The information in that NY Daily News article was denied in furious fashion by Arum and Pacquiao's Team. The negotiations were never the same after that article came out. That particular article was included in Pacquiao's defamation suit against the Mayweathers and Golden Boy.

duno...i blame floyd more

the fight isn't happening because of the blood test.It's not manny trying to change the rules of testing.Even though it needs to happen....right now nevada only wants urine tests...manny has agreed to 3 blood tests.It is mayweather who is tryin to enforce a new rule that is makin the fight a no go

a good example would be same day weigh ins....even though i want same day weigh ins in the future...if two guys are about to fight at say 154 pounds and one guys is asking for the same day weigh in (which is not how boxing is done today) and the other guy says no he wants the weigh in the day before as boxing does and the fight doesn't happen because neither side bends who is to blame?Obviously the guy who is asking for a "Different Rule".Since it's dealin with roids it's not looked at like this but it's basic principle...floyd is asking for a different rule be put into place that boxing doesn't even use

and like i responded i agree olympic style testin should be done in the future but this is prolly the worst time to bring it up.Ur putting the biggest fight boxing has to offer in jeopardy (looks to be off).It would be great if he and mosley fight and agree to it and get the ball rollin but to bring this up now with all the interest and money on the table is retarded

also whether were stuck in old ways or not the same day weigh in argument still holds the same weight with me.I want to see same day weigh ins but if i wake up tomorrow and see berto and mosley is off because berto wants same day weigh ins and mosley doesn't agree..i'm blaming berto.Even though i agree same day weigh ins make it more fair since it would be asking for something new i'd blame the one askin for the rule change

It's not like they would wake up and it's a surprise that it's a same day weigh-in though. That !! would be in a contract 3-4 months prior to the fight.

I think it's a PERFECT time to have stricter testing procedures. A time like NOW is when the subject will get more attention (as it should). If to guys on Friday Night Fights agree or disagree to random blood testing...

1) No one would even know about it and,

2) No one would !!ing care!

That's why you bring this topic up when the ENTIRE world is watching. For anyone else, there would be pressure to go through with the fight and prove that you are clean. How pacman felt no pressure and said '!! it' is beyond me. That !! is just weird. Percentage wise... how many fighters in the sport of boxing do you think would turn down random blood testing and the $40 million that came with it?

I'd say less than .01%

i've already stated in the other thread if they agreed it would bring more attention to it and e good because it is such a big fight...but for it to be the reason for the fight being called off...there is no positive.Everyone loses...the fans,mayweather,pacman,and boxing in general.The only thing this does is bring attention to pacman as a ped user since the fight doesn't go through.In all honesty steroids isnt even one of the main problems with boxing.Yes there are people who use and it is cheating but tere are way bigger issues in boxing these days that should be gettin this type of press

So, rumor is that Floyd uses illegal performance enhancing drugs now.


So lemme ask you this, if Pacman was the one that wanted the testing... he'd be considered a champion for the sport. Fighting for the safety and cleanliness of the sport. However, because Floyd is the one asking for this... he's credited by some as the reason this fight doesn't take place.

You can't have it both ways. You can't like the idea of olympic style drug testing, same day weigh-ins, and overall change in the sport.... and then place negative blame on the pioneers that try to bring in olympic style testing, same day weigh-ins, and overall change.

Yes, there are tons of problems with boxing. How do you fix it? One problem at a time... I don't care which problem you go at first, but... start somewhere and don't stop.

actually wouldn't be any difference...both would still be to blame and different people would place more blame on the other.I'd blame the guy tryin to make a new rule.Was just watching FNF and they all basically said floyd is not bigger then the sport and he's tryin to tell them how to test when it isnt up to him

call him a pioneer or whatever the fight isn't happening and it;s becausse floyd is tryin to input a new rule.If this was some average fight ok i get that but this is the biggest fight out there and maybe the biggest in the last decade there is no excuses why the fight shouldn't be made...manny has bent a little...commishion doesn't require him to do 1 blood test and he's agreed to 3...mayweather isn't bending so the fight isn't happening

Mayweather isn't bending? Pacman said no blood tests in the last 30 days of the fight... despite being filmed taking a blood test within 30 days of a fight previously. Floyd said he wants random blood tests up until the fight. Floyd's camp bent, and proposed they split the difference... 14 days.

See, in your specific case... your being selfish. On one hand, you want olympic style testing BUT you want to see this fight. Your willing to throw out safety, or principles, or fairness, whatever etc... in favor of seeing a fight that you really want to see. That's different from all the other people... ur not hating, but your reasoning is selfish.

FNF, them dudes all hate Floyd with a passion... so they'll say whatever out of their hate for dude.

Me, I don't care. If them dudes have a concern about drugs... then they should voice that. There is no sport wide rules to abide by so... contracts can say whatever they want. They can have whatever gloves, whatever ring, catchweights, penalties, anything they want. If they wanna put some drug testing stipulations in there, they can do that too. However, unlike gloves, ring size, catchweight stipulations.... random blood tests do NOT put one fighter at a disadvantage and one fighter at an advantage.

So... put in the contract that Manny has to take 3 random blood tests within the last 5-6 weeks of the fight. Put that in the contract. Also put in a penalty clause for if pacman refuses. A $10 million dollar fine for each blood test refused (this kind of penalty sound familiar). It's exactly the type of contract that Top Rank is familiar with. They love those kind of contracts.

Contracts make up tons of new rules that state commissions never ask for... why is this one all-of-a-sudden such a huge deal???! People are acting like the Mayweather camp is asking for something so unbelievable unfair... I just don't get it.

oh come on dog....he knew pac wasn't accepting a 14 day test.That's liek tomorrow floyd saying "ok we'll move it back to 16 days"...he won't take that either so it doesn't matter.Manny doesn't have to take any blood test

and i really think ur taking my statement on olympic style drug testing deep.I'm not setting here sayin it's a top priority of mine to have that.I would like to see in the future but until this fight kicked off it hasn't really been an issue.Not too many people have complained of roids in boxing.I mean there are guys like mosley,holyfield,and jones who have been accused and people like morrision who came out and said he used as did everybody else but not a real big issue and def not worth this fight not happening.

my thing is ur placin all blame on pacman..I understand ur a big floyd fan but come on...both guys are just as reponsible for this not happening.The only reason in my gut i blame mayweather more is because this is a pattern and he never takes on the big fight everyone wants him to take whereas manny is always fighting the big fights.There is always an excuse....and now he has had 40 fights and has never even brought up anything close to this and now he wants to when he knows manny won't take it?He isnt doin this to make boxing better and more clean or tryin to be a "pioneer"

in the end common sense is tellin me manny is on steroids and floyd doesn't really want to fight pac and he knows this is his way out..both are to blame.Manny is hiding something and floyd is goin to get out of this fight and fight paulie m or some other average fighter he can beat with one hand behind his back

point blank this fight doesn't happen mayweather will hurt more from it...

unless pac tests positive at some point his rep won't be hurt in the long run because he'll still take on the big fights

mayweather on the other hand will have yet another big fight on the resume that he didn't make happen.Whatever reason or whoever is to blame those fights are starting to add up and there is one common denominator

and maybe floyd is content with that but if he ever wants to go down as good as he thinks he is already he needs to make these type of fights happen and he's running out of time.