Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao [??-??-13][HBO-PPV]
|01-07-2010, 09:21 PM||away - #61|
That's EXACTLY what the !! I'm saying. I was forever saying that this fight would NEVER go down... then all of a sudden they agreed sooo !!ing fast that I felt dumb as !!! I just kept my mouth shut and went with the flow... but this !! that's happening now, is what I thought was gonna happen.
I place more blame on Pacman than anyone else. For the simple fact that he is ALWAYS a b*tch to deal with in negotiations. The fact that both the Hatton and De La Hoya fights almost didn't happen with this guy. The fact that they made Oscar come down to a weight that he hadn't fought at in a decade. Weight restrictions on Cotto.... There is always some kind of !! with this guy.
AS for Floyd, I dunno... My parents (aunts/uncles) are real old school. Often times they'll predict some outlandish !! based on absolute nonsense... that ends up being DEAD ON! Some kind of crazy parental intuition. Maybe that's what happened with Floyd, listening to Floyd Sr. Who the !! knows!!! If they have concerns within them about this... then, they should definitely voice that.
What I do know is... thousands of athletes are subject to this kind of testing (including amateur boxers). So, unless there is some kind of clash with pacman's religion... I don't understand the big deal. ESPECIALLY seeing as how just a few weeks ago Roach and Koncz were offering up pacman to any and all drug tests.
What people (INCLUDING Pacman) need to understand is.... random blood testing is NOT a punishement... it is NOT a penalty. It doesn't place one party at a disadvantage.
If Floyd ever decides to fight... say, Shane Mosley... I'd hope that Mayweather goes for the random blood testing again... and I hope Mosley accepts. (Although Paulie Malignaggi is being mentioned more frequently as PBF's next opponent).
|01-07-2010, 09:23 PM||away - #62|
January 07, 2010
IS THE FIGHT REALLY FALLING APART OVER A TEN-DAY DIFFERENCE IN BLOOD TESTING?
According to Floyd Mayweather's latest statement, he wants to "whip Manny Pacquaio's punk[..]" so long as Pacquiao will take a blood test 14 days before their fight. Previous reports had Pacquiao willing to take the test 24 days before the fight, leading to the conclusion that either someone has a hidden agenda or boxing's biggest fight is really falling apart over a ten-day time span. --Scott Shaffer
FLOYD MAYWEATHER STATEMENT: "Throughout this whole process I have remained patient, but at this point I am thoroughly disgusted that Pacquiao and his representatives are trying to blame me for the fight not happening when clearly the blame is on them.
"First and foremost, not only do I want to fight Manny Pacquiao, I want to whip his punk[..].
"Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected. I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30-day cut-off. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests.
"In my opinion it is Manny Pacquiao and his team who are denying the people a chance to see the biggest fight ever. I know the people will see through their smokescreens and lies. I am ready to fight and sign the contract. Manny needs to stop making his excuses, step up and fight."
|01-07-2010, 09:55 PM||away - #63|
Mayweather's Adviser On The Attack: Fires at Bob Arum
By Mark Vester
Leonard Ellerbe, adviser to Floyd Mayweather Jr., fired some verbal shots at Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, promoter of Manny Pacquiao. Ellerbe tells the Grand Rapids Press that Arum has tried to mislead the public during the entire negotiations period by leaving out information. Mayweather-Pacquiao fell apart on Wednesday after the two camps could not agree on the cut-off date for random blood tests. After a nine-hour mediation on Tuesday in California, Pacquiao's camp proposed a cut-off period of 24-days before the fight, while Mayweather's camp wanted a cut-off of 14 days.
Ellerbe says the offer of 14-days was made before Tuesday's mediation.
“Arum is trying to trick the public into thinking there was no compromise at all,” Ellerbe said. “He never mentioned that a 14-day compromise was offered -- and rejected -- prior to mediation. I think it’s more than a fair compromise, particularly since, realistically, it’s not an issue that should be compromised on at all.”
Arum had said Mayweather's business adviser Al Haymon and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer had urged Mayweather to accept Pacquiao's proposal.
Ellerbe confirmed an earlier story that was posted on BoxingScene.com - by telling the paper that Haymon never made an attempt to convince Mayweather to accept Pacquiao's offer. He says Schaefer had also backed Mayweather's play.
“It’s a childish, amateurish attempt by Bob Arum to divide and conquer,” Ellerbe said. “It’s absolutely not true. It never happened. It’s a lie. I said last week that Manny Pacquiao has surrounded himself with smart people but I have to retract that statement. They’re not very smart people at all, because Manny Pacquiao is going to wake up, another deal is going to be presented to him, and he’s going to say, ‘What? I’m not going to make eight figures?’
“The bottom line is that what we’ve been proposing all along is random, Olympic-style drug testing. Why would the guy refuse random blood and urine testing? Why?”
There were a lot of dirty tactics being used during the negotiations for Mayweather-Pacquiao. Two weeks ago, a source [likely close to Mayweather] told the New York Daily News that Pacquiao's camp had asked for a penalty outline if Manny tested dirty for performance enhancing drugs. The source also claimed that Pacquiao's camp made a request for both sides to cover up any information if a test result came back positive. Tim Smith, a well-known veteran boxing writer, would not have printed the information unless it came from someone involved in the negotiations.
The information in that NY Daily News article was denied in furious fashion by Arum and Pacquiao's Team. The negotiations were never the same after that article came out. That particular article was included in Pacquiao's defamation suit against the Mayweathers and Golden Boy.
|01-07-2010, 09:56 PM||online - #64|
but either way i see both of their sides and think they're being !!es at the same time.If floyd really thinks pac is using PED's and it will put him at a disadvantage i get it...also in the future olympic style drug testing should be used for all fights....at the same time does anyone really think floyd gives a !! if pac is on roids?His defense is what he relies on not outworking a guys or hitting harder....if he think pac can't hit him what's it matter?And even though i agree with this testing in the future for it to be bringing this fight down the blame has to be put on floyd especially since manny has agreed to 3 tests which in my opinion are good times to test
as fr manny...if he thinkns it will weaken him i see his point because boxing is way more mental then physical and if he thinks ihe'll be weak...he'll come out flat.At the same time he's being a !! in my opinion...it's like a teaspoon of blood and very suspect he's not taking the test when he can be makin like 40 mil
|01-07-2010, 10:04 PM||away - #65|
Again, this testing is not putting one person at an advantage and the other at a disadvantage. That is the most important thing to realize. Roach and Koncz were offering Manny to every test a few weeks ago. GBP and the rest of Floyd's camp been quiet all through these negotiations... Arum been bashing the h*ll out of everyone. Something just isn't right on the Top Rank side of things.
|01-07-2010, 10:16 PM||online - #66|
duno...i blame floyd more
the fight isn't happening because of the blood test.It's not manny trying to change the rules of testing.Even though it needs to happen....right now nevada only wants urine tests...manny has agreed to 3 blood tests.It is mayweather who is tryin to enforce a new rule that is makin the fight a no go
a good example would be same day weigh ins....even though i want same day weigh ins in the future...if two guys are about to fight at say 154 pounds and one guys is asking for the same day weigh in (which is not how boxing is done today) and the other guy says no he wants the weigh in the day before as boxing does and the fight doesn't happen because neither side bends who is to blame?Obviously the guy who is asking for a "Different Rule".Since it's dealin with roids it's not looked at like this but it's basic principle...floyd is asking for a different rule be put into place that boxing doesn't even use
|01-07-2010, 10:17 PM||away - #67|
Floyd Mayweather's request for Manny Pacquiao to be drug tested is matter of boxing ethics
Friday, December 25th 2009, 4:00 AM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao haven't even signed a contract to fight yet, but Pacquiao is already losing.
Mayweather's request that Pacquiao submit to random drug testing conducted by the United States Anti-Doping Agency before he signs a contract for the fight has put Pacquiao on his heels and put the proposed March 13 bout in jeopardy.
If Pacquiao doesn't agree to the stipulation, then it looks like he's trying to cheat. Pacquiao has never tested positive for any banned substance, but the atmosphere in sports these days is that every athlete is under suspicion of cheating until proven otherwise.
Mayweather-Pacquiao has reignited the passion of the mainstream sports fans for boxing. If Pacquiao wants to keep the flames of that passion hot, he will submit to the Olympic-style testing and go forward with the fight.
If he doesn't, then everyone will[..]ume he is dirty and his accomplishments of the last two years - knocking out Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto - will be clouded by suspicion, and boxing will have suffered yet another blow below the belt.
This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.
Those are disturbing requests. It could just be due diligence on the part of the attorneys negotiating the contract or it could be that Pacquiao has something to hide. The only way to clear up the matter is to agree to the testing. Mayweather has agreed to undergo the same procedures, putting more pressure on Pacquiao.
All of Pacquiao's initial arguments against taking the test are specious at best. He's afraid of needles. (How did he get all those tatoos?) He doesn't want to be weakened by having his blood taken so close to the fight. (What happens when he gets cut in a fight?)
Bob Arum of Top Rank, Pacquiao's promoter, said the Filipino fighter doesn't mind taking urine tests, but he doesn't want to submit to the schedule of blood testing as outlined by the USADA. Arum said Pacquiao wants to do three tests - one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one 30 days from the fight, no later than Feb. 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Pacquiao's locker room.
Arum's schedule has a loophole big enough for a cheating elephant to step through. It seems Pacquiao has trouble with the term "random," which is the linchpin of any reputable drug testing program. And the argument that he would be weakened if he were to take a blood test the week of the fight doesn't hold water.
"The amount of blood taken is so small it will have zero effect on performance," said Dr. Gary Wadler, the World Anti-Doping Agency chairman of the Prohibited List Committee. "It's really inconsequential when you take into account the total blood volume in the human body. It's not a valid argument."
Pacquiao has fallen under suspicion because of his meteoric rise from featherweight to welterweight in the last two years. In 2008, he won fights at 130, 135 and 142 pounds - an incredible feat in modern boxing. And he has seemingly gotten more powerful as he has risen in weight.
Andre Ward, the WBA 168-pound champion, won a gold medal for the U.S. boxing team at the 2004 Athens Games. He was subjected to testing by the USADA, but he said it never drew blood while he was competing. Ward sides with Mayweather, but can understand Pacquiao's concern over the random testing. He said it's inconvenient, but worthwhile if it keeps you above suspicion. Ward said if there were $40 million at stake, it wouldn't even be a question for him. [[pic] gotta love Ward]
"I think he needs to do it so that no one is scratching their head and wondering about him," Ward said. "He needs to clear up any doubt. I agree with Mayweather and his camp. They're doing the right thing. They should take all the precautions to make sure that everything is done right. It's good for the sport."
I never even seen this article.... apparently this is the thing that ticked Manny and Arum off. That k!lled the fight.
|01-07-2010, 10:24 PM||away - #68|
Like I was saying to you in the other thread. Getting stuck in old ways just because it's how it's been done, is stupid. When Beijing wanted to show that they were going all in with testing.... who did they go out an get to show that they were serious about keeping the games clean? Bolt, Phelps, etc. All the most popular athletes. They didn't go and get the athlete's that no one knew who barely made it to the Olympics.
That's why I said I hope that if Floyd fight Mosley.. he goes for the testing again and that I hope Molsey accepts (which I'm sure he would). How !!ing stupid would pacman feel if Mosley agreed?
There is absolutely no reason for pro boxing to be less strenuous with regard to testing than amateur sports. It has to start somewhere... why not with the biggest fight ever?
|01-07-2010, 10:29 PM||online - #69|
and like i responded i agree olympic style testin should be done in the future but this is prolly the worst time to bring it up.Ur putting the biggest fight boxing has to offer in jeopardy (looks to be off).It would be great if he and mosley fight and agree to it and get the ball rollin but to bring this up now with all the interest and money on the table is retarded
also whether were stuck in old ways or not the same day weigh in argument still holds the same weight with me.I want to see same day weigh ins but if i wake up tomorrow and see berto and mosley is off because berto wants same day weigh ins and mosley doesn't agree..i'm blaming berto.Even though i agree same day weigh ins make it more fair since it would be asking for something new i'd blame the one askin for the rule change
|01-07-2010, 10:37 PM||away - #70|
It's not like they would wake up and it's a surprise that it's a same day weigh-in though. That !! would be in a contract 3-4 months prior to the fight.
I think it's a PERFECT time to have stricter testing procedures. A time like NOW is when the subject will get more attention (as it should). If to guys on Friday Night Fights agree or disagree to random blood testing...
1) No one would even know about it and,
2) No one would !!ing care!
That's why you bring this topic up when the ENTIRE world is watching. For anyone else, there would be pressure to go through with the fight and prove that you are clean. How pacman felt no pressure and said '!! it' is beyond me. That !! is just weird. Percentage wise... how many fighters in the sport of boxing do you think would turn down random blood testing and the $40 million that came with it?
I'd say less than .01%
|01-08-2010, 02:57 PM||online - #71|
|01-08-2010, 06:08 PM||away - #72|
i'm utterly disgusted with this whole situation, by all parties involved.
Floyd for being entirely unreasonable (show me a drug that wont show up in between the time after the press-conference to the 30 day mark, then from there to immediately after the fight. any drug at all), and Manny for his complete diva mentality (thinking waaaay more about himself than anything else, not manning up n saying "ok, i'll !! twice by proving you wrong and kicking your[..]). this !! is absurd. i'm starting to agree with the statement that was made about neither really wanting the fight. remember, Manny wasn't even goin to enter into initial negotiations until Arum flew to his country n broke down to his ignorant[..] how much $ was to be made.
but i think i've even more aggravated with these casual fans coming out of the woodwork as experts all of a sudden. Jesus...
|01-08-2010, 06:12 PM||online - #73|
|01-08-2010, 07:55 PM||away - #74|
So, rumor is that Floyd uses illegal performance enhancing drugs now.
So lemme ask you this, if Pacman was the one that wanted the testing... he'd be considered a champion for the sport. Fighting for the safety and cleanliness of the sport. However, because Floyd is the one asking for this... he's credited by some as the reason this fight doesn't take place.
You can't have it both ways. You can't like the idea of olympic style drug testing, same day weigh-ins, and overall change in the sport.... and then place negative blame on the pioneers that try to bring in olympic style testing, same day weigh-ins, and overall change.
Yes, there are tons of problems with boxing. How do you fix it? One problem at a time... I don't care which problem you go at first, but... start somewhere and don't stop.
|01-08-2010, 08:42 PM||online - #75|
call him a pioneer or whatever the fight isn't happening and it;s becausse floyd is tryin to input a new rule.If this was some average fight ok i get that but this is the biggest fight out there and maybe the biggest in the last decade there is no excuses why the fight shouldn't be made...manny has bent a little...commishion doesn't require him to do 1 blood test and he's agreed to 3...mayweather isn't bending so the fight isn't happening
|01-08-2010, 09:25 PM||away - #76|
Mayweather isn't bending? Pacman said no blood tests in the last 30 days of the fight... despite being filmed taking a blood test within 30 days of a fight previously. Floyd said he wants random blood tests up until the fight. Floyd's camp bent, and proposed they split the difference... 14 days.
See, in your specific case... your being selfish. On one hand, you want olympic style testing BUT you want to see this fight. Your willing to throw out safety, or principles, or fairness, whatever etc... in favor of seeing a fight that you really want to see. That's different from all the other people... ur not hating, but your reasoning is selfish.
FNF, them dudes all hate Floyd with a passion... so they'll say whatever out of their hate for dude.
Me, I don't care. If them dudes have a concern about drugs... then they should voice that. There is no sport wide rules to abide by so... contracts can say whatever they want. They can have whatever gloves, whatever ring, catchweights, penalties, anything they want. If they wanna put some drug testing stipulations in there, they can do that too. However, unlike gloves, ring size, catchweight stipulations.... random blood tests do NOT put one fighter at a disadvantage and one fighter at an advantage.
So... put in the contract that Manny has to take 3 random blood tests within the last 5-6 weeks of the fight. Put that in the contract. Also put in a penalty clause for if pacman refuses. A $10 million dollar fine for each blood test refused (this kind of penalty sound familiar). It's exactly the type of contract that Top Rank is familiar with. They love those kind of contracts.
Contracts make up tons of new rules that state commissions never ask for... why is this one all-of-a-sudden such a huge deal???! People are acting like the Mayweather camp is asking for something so unbelievable unfair... I just don't get it.
|01-08-2010, 09:36 PM||online - #77|
and i really think ur taking my statement on olympic style drug testing deep.I'm not setting here sayin it's a top priority of mine to have that.I would like to see in the future but until this fight kicked off it hasn't really been an issue.Not too many people have complained of roids in boxing.I mean there are guys like mosley,holyfield,and jones who have been accused and people like morrision who came out and said he used as did everybody else but not a real big issue and def not worth this fight not happening.
my thing is ur placin all blame on pacman..I understand ur a big floyd fan but come on...both guys are just as reponsible for this not happening.The only reason in my gut i blame mayweather more is because this is a pattern and he never takes on the big fight everyone wants him to take whereas manny is always fighting the big fights.There is always an excuse....and now he has had 40 fights and has never even brought up anything close to this and now he wants to when he knows manny won't take it?He isnt doin this to make boxing better and more clean or tryin to be a "pioneer"
in the end common sense is tellin me manny is on steroids and floyd doesn't really want to fight pac and he knows this is his way out..both are to blame.Manny is hiding something and floyd is goin to get out of this fight and fight paulie m or some other average fighter he can beat with one hand behind his back
|01-08-2010, 09:43 PM||online - #78|
point blank this fight doesn't happen mayweather will hurt more from it...
unless pac tests positive at some point his rep won't be hurt in the long run because he'll still take on the big fights
mayweather on the other hand will have yet another big fight on the resume that he didn't make happen.Whatever reason or whoever is to blame those fights are starting to add up and there is one common denominator
and maybe floyd is content with that but if he ever wants to go down as good as he thinks he is already he needs to make these type of fights happen and he's running out of time.
|01-08-2010, 09:57 PM||away - #79|
Jones & Holyfield were accused. Mosley was outed and admitted to it. Toney and Vargas got caught. My sense is, if you KNOW or have suspicion that your next opponent is using PEDs, you'd either NOT take the fight.... or want to be compensated handsomely. If Oscar knew before hand that Vargas and Mosley were gonna use... do you think he would have agreed to those fights?
You speak on this subject as a fan but, YOU ARE A BOXER, no? Would YOU agree to fight an opponent knowing he was on PEDs? YOU personally? You say that common sense is telling you that pacman is on roids. Well, I guess that means that the same common sense was telling Floyd that pacman was using roids... so wouldn't that mean that common sense would tell him that random blood testing needs to be used???!
Like I said earlier, May has commented on roids... but, he never had to fight anyone his camp suspected of using. I didn't say or mean to say that Floyd is trying to be a pioneer for USADA style testing... what i'm saying is... if he got his way, then he would have been the one who started this new rule, thus making him the pioneer of it it for pro-boxing (whether that was his intended purpose or not).
Really, does it really matter who I am a fan of? Does it sound like I am coming at this like one of these casual d*ckriders? You think that what I'm saying isn't logical at all? I mean, yeah... I said your reasoning is selfish, cuz it is. You think now, that pacman is on roids but you still think Floyd should go through with the fight. Because Manny doesn't want to prove he is not on roids, you blame Floyd for Manny not accepting the terms.
Is that fair to say though?
You think Pac is on roids, but you still think Floyd should go through with the fight?
|01-08-2010, 10:04 PM||away - #80|
... and there it is.
NONE of that has anything to do with the Mayweather/Pacman fiasco at hand.
It's funny though...
Mayweather didn't fight Marg.... then later on Marg gets caught with bricks in his gloves.
Mayweather didn't get to fight Mosley... then later on, Mosley admits to using 'a clear substance and a cream substance' at Balco labs.
Even if Pacman tested positive for something later on... people would still hate Floyd and it wouldn't clear anything for him
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