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Here's why current WP phones won't get Windows Phone 8


 Here's why current WP phones won't get Windows Phone 8
By paliknight - 06-27-2012, 11:08 AM - Boxden > BX Tech


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Microsoft caused a lot of excitement when they announced Windows Phone 8, but also a good deal of disappointment when it became clear that the new OS won't be coming to the current crop of Windows Phone devices.

There's a reason for that - the two OSes may look similar on the outside, but they are vastly different on the inside. The new core that enables so many cool features (multiple CPU cores, better graphics) is shared with Windows 8 RT (based on Windows NT) and not Windows Phone 7 (based on Windows CE, same as Windows Mobile).

Microsoft’s senior marketing manager for Windows Phone, Greg Sullivan, says that it's not impossible to port WP8 on older devices, but the cost of doing that would be very high and the benefit very little - WP8 enables multi-core support, higher resolution screens, NFC, microSD card support and so on, none of which will make a difference on the legacy hardware.

What they are getting (as part of the Windows Phone 7.8 update) is the new start screen - it's the most noticeable change in the OS and will actually benefit the current Windows Phone smartphones.

Users who move to the new version of the OS will get to keep using their Windows Phone 7 apps as those will work on WP8. There's no backwards compatibility for the newly developed WP8 apps though and there's nothing that can be done about it - for example, the Adreno 205 just won't cut it for games intended for a Snapdragon S4 (which packs an Adreno 225 or 305).

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18 comments for "Here's why current WP phones won't get Windows Phone 8"


 06-27-2012, 11:33 AMaway - #2
Jesszman
wp7 users lost [pic]
 06-27-2012, 12:01 PMonline - #3
Sivraj
Again, MS is to blame. They knew for a fact that they were going to update their hardware with dual cores and micro cards, and even said that their OS won't fragment which they did. They owe customers an apology for that. They better not mess up again in the future with a possible WP9.
 06-27-2012, 12:11 PMaway - #4
xeduran
Originally Posted by Sivraj
Again, MS is to blame. They knew for a fact that they were going to update their hardware with dual cores and micro cards, and even said that their OS won't fragment which they did. They owe customers an apology for that. They better not mess up again in the future with a possible WP9.
I do not even blame them for not upgrading a phone with old hardware. I do blame them and Nokia though for marketing a phone with old hardware as a flagship phone. The Lumia 900 should have been marketed as a mid range phone at best. Along with informing people from the start that the specs will not hold up for WP8. To buy a phone that is one year old and not receive the next upgrade is ridiculous. Phones should be upgraded at least until two year contracts are up.
 06-27-2012, 12:16 PMonline - #5
Sivraj
Originally Posted by xeduran
I do not even blame them for not upgrading a phone with old hardware. I do blame them and Nokia though for marketing a phone with old hardware as a flagship phone. The Lumia 900 should have been marketed as a mid range phone at best. Along with informing people from the start that the specs will not hold up for WP8. To buy a phone that is one year old and not receive the next upgrade is ridiculous. Phones should be upgraded at least until two year contracts are up.
Good post![pic]
 06-27-2012, 12:25 PMaway - #6
KURUPTION!!!
Flagship phone or not, it's $100 and you get what you pay for. This is no surprise coming from Microsoft that did a similar thing with the original Xbox abandoning it early in it's life cycle for the 360 and giving it next to no first party support when the new hardware launched.
 06-27-2012, 02:55 PMaway - #7
xeduran
Originally Posted by KURUPTION!!!
Flagship phone or not, it's $100 and you get what you pay for. This is no surprise coming from Microsoft that did a similar thing with the original Xbox abandoning it early in it's life cycle for the 360 and giving it next to no first party support when the new hardware launched.
Unfortunately a lot of consumers are naive and thought that MS and Nokia were giving them a bargain for a flagship phone. The average consumer does not know anything about CPUs or cores. They see the commercials and see that the Lumia 900 is the premier Windows phone to get.

Should consumers be more knowledgeable, of course. But you do not see HTC promoting the One V as the best phone out. They call it how it is. One V (low end), One S (mid range) and One X (high end). MS and Nokia could have done the same thing. They counted on the lack of knowledge from the average consumer to screw them over while they waited on WP8 to be completed.
 06-28-2012, 03:45 PMaway - #8
tdm2000
Bull... no different than buying any other MS OS, you'll pay for it. Kind of hard to use that excuse while users are watching Apple still supports the 3GS
 06-28-2012, 04:17 PMaway - #9
tj.iscool
Originally Posted by xeduran
Unfortunately a lot of consumers are naive and thought that MS and Nokia were giving them a bargain for a flagship phone. The average consumer does not know anything about CPUs or cores. They see the commercials and see that the Lumia 900 is the premier Windows phone to get.

Should consumers be more knowledgeable, of course. But you do not see HTC promoting the One V as the best phone out. They call it how it is. One V (low end), One S (mid range) and One X (high end). MS and Nokia could have done the same thing. They counted on the lack of knowledge from the average consumer to screw them over while they waited on WP8 to be completed.
Nokia has more than 1 version of the Lumia so what are u talking about?
 06-28-2012, 09:42 PMaway - #10
x Tha Arkitek x
I have a Lumia 710 and honestly 7.8 will keep me happy. Only thing I'm worried about is the future of app support for WP7.5-7.8. The phone is already really quick & responsive so I couldn't care less about dual cores and I don't use my phone for watching video so the resolution is no biggy for me either.
 06-29-2012, 04:23 AMaway - #11
KURUPTION!!!
I'm more interested in the hardware upgrades than the actual OS upgrade anyway, regardless of when I bought my Lumia I was upgrading. I copped off contract anyway. I can't keep a phone for more than a year so I'm not mad at all.
 06-29-2012, 05:14 AMaway - #12
xeduran
Originally Posted by tj.iscool
Nokia has more than 1 version of the Lumia so what are u talking about?
Their high end phone is not high end. That is what I am talking about. The Lumia 900 should not have been marketed as a high end phone like it could compete for the next few years. They new that it would not be upgraded when they were marketing it. They were comparing the 900 to the GSII and the Iphone 4S, real flagship phones. Both of those phones are getting major upgrades, the 900 is not.

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 06-29-2012, 05:51 AMaway - #13
KURUPTION!!!
Originally Posted by xeduran
Their high end phone is not high end. That is what I am talking about. The Lumia 900 should not have been marketed as a high end phone like it could compete for the next few years. They new that it would not be upgraded when they were marketing it. They were comparing the 900 to the GSII and the Iphone 4S, real flagship phones. Both of those phones are getting major upgrades, the 900 is not.
I don't recall Nokia comparing it to anything. I know the media did that, but I don't think anyone else did. It's arguably the best Windows phone so wouldn't that technically make it a flagship phone from a marketing standpoint? They have to push something don't they?
 06-29-2012, 06:47 AMaway - #14
e G o Maniac
Originally Posted by tdm2000
Bull... no different than buying any other MS OS, you'll pay for it. Kind of hard to use that excuse while users are watching Apple still supports the 3GS
Apple "supports" the 3GS, and even the iPhone 4 just as well as Microsoft does Windows 7.5 devices. 3GS and the 4 are getting "iOS6" but it won't have all the features you'll get in the 4S or the next iPhone. Both are holding back features so stop acting like Apple is so perfect. Fragmentation exists in their phones, as well.
 06-29-2012, 06:56 AMaway - #15
xeduran
Originally Posted by KURUPTION!!!
I don't recall Nokia comparing it to anything. I know the media did that, but I don't think anyone else did. It's arguably the best Windows phone so wouldn't that technically make it a flagship phone from a marketing standpoint? They have to push something don't they?
Reallly? What do you call the whole "out of beta test" remarks. Or the Smoke Windows phone challenge. They were acting like it was the best phone ever created. I understand they had to market the phone, they did a good job at it. They also fooled their consumers into thinking they had a phone that would last a while. Out of beta testing yet it will not receive WP8. The Lumia 900 was just an in between phone for MS and Nokia to keep the Windows name out there because they did not have WP8 ready.

They could have released the Nokia 900 with a dual core like every other phone had at the time. They choose not to and stated that WP7 did not need it. Even though they knew that Windows 8 would. Android had dual core phones even when Android was not optimized for it. In fact, people on this site made stupid remarks like, "why do you need a dual core CPU when Android OS is not even optimized for it." Because of this foresight, those same phones became vastly improved with ICS. Same will happen with Jellybean. The same GSII that was released around the time the Nokia 900 got released, will have vast performance improvements because it was made future proof.

The fact of the matter is that MS knew they were not going to upgrade the Nokia 900. They knew that if they released it with a dual core, it would be upgradeable. They choose not to take that route. To own a phone for a year and not get a major upgrade is ridiculous. I do not understand how you guys can excuse that.

As far as the flagship title. I guess Android and IOS users are spoiled then. I am comparing Nokia's so called flagship phone to the other two. Both Apple and Android have supported flagship phones with at least one major upgrade and usually two major upgrades. Nokia's so called flagship phone is not even getting one major upgrade.

If this is the route MS wants to take, then expect to buy a new phone every time Windows changes a number. So get your one year's worth and that's it.

Last edited by xeduran; 06-29-2012 at 07:07 AM..
 06-29-2012, 07:22 AMaway - #16
KURUPTION!!!
I'm not trying to argue with you man, I was just trying to get why you keep saying that they're comparing it to Android's top of the line phones. I agree with you regarding the whole Beta test commercials, but I just felt like it was marketing, not necessarily comparing it to the top of the line phones.
 06-29-2012, 09:07 AMaway - #17
tdm2000
Originally Posted by e G o Maniac
Apple "supports" the 3GS, and even the iPhone 4 just as well as Microsoft does Windows 7.5 devices. 3GS and the 4 are getting "iOS6" but it won't have all the features you'll get in the 4S or the next iPhone. Both are holding back features so stop acting like Apple is so perfect. Fragmentation exists in their phones, as well.
Nobody said apple being perfect. Yes, apple holds a few things back, but 90% of the functionality is still available for the older devices.
 06-29-2012, 11:51 AMaway - #18
DJ Maximum|M
ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY I STOPPED !!ING WITH WINDOWS PHONES I HAD WINDOWS 6.5 ON MY TP2 AND IT WOULDNT UPDATE BUT I WAS ABLE TO PUT ANDROID ON IT
 06-29-2012, 12:48 PMaway - #19
xeduran
Originally Posted by KURUPTION!!!
I'm not trying to argue with you man, I was just trying to get why you keep saying that they're comparing it to Android's top of the line phones. I agree with you regarding the whole Beta test commercials, but I just felt like it was marketing, not necessarily comparing it to the top of the line phones.
I understand them wanting to be aggressive with their marketing, they were also a little misleading though. Maybe consumers will wake up and actually take a look at the spec sheet from now on. Looking at the Lumia 900, you can tell it was going to be left behind because of the specs. Unfortunately most consumers do not inform themselves.
 
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