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 Why do most black sit coms/movies recently suck?
 09-13-2012, 09:44 PMaway - #21
walker2781
Originally Posted by TheMindOf
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Thank you. I always have this argument with people and they call me a hater.

Black comedy hasn't evolved. Its like blacks won't support a sitcom unless there's niccas shucking and jiving or some cooning

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Look at white sitcoms from the 90's and look at them now. The style of comedy has changed so much.

Look at black shows, they still using all the same formulas. These show's haven't changed with the times. There aren't any smart black sitcoms.

I alway get mad that white people get The Office, Parks & Rec, Modern Family, New Girl, Louie, Always Sunny,

And we get "Meet the Browns". But then again if you put a smart black sitcom on TV will niccas watch it?
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 09-13-2012, 09:55 PMaway - #22
walker2781
Originally Posted by Patrick Galooly
Spike Lee talked about the difficulty of making movies with majority black casts before Tyler Perry was around. Tyler Perry may be the reason more black movies are made cause his movies usually do well at the box office.
"It's because it's an all-black movie. There's no major white roles in it at all…I showed it to all of them and they said, 'Nooooo. We don't know how to market a move like this.'" Lucas goes on to explain that major studios don't believe films with majority black casts do well in foreign markets

quote from George Lucas on the making of red tails. If a director with a name as big as George Lucas has difficulty getting a black movie green lighted it illustrates how difficult it is to get these movies made.
Im sure alot of this thinking is why my nicca Black panther stay getting passed on....that and the name it self. White folks aint ready for flick named a strong whitey hating movement.
 09-13-2012, 10:29 PMonline - #23
TheMindOf
Originally Posted by Patrick Galooly
Spike Lee talked about the difficulty of making movies with majority black casts before Tyler Perry was around. Tyler Perry may be the reason more black movies are made cause his movies usually do well at the box office.
"It's because it's an all-black movie. There's no major white roles in it at all…I showed it to all of them and they said, 'Nooooo. We don't know how to market a move like this.'" Lucas goes on to explain that major studios don't believe films with majority black casts do well in foreign markets

quote from George Lucas on the making of red tails. If a director with a name as big as George Lucas has difficulty getting a black movie green lighted it illustrates how difficult it is to get these movies made.
George Lucas worked really hard to get a quality black film made and niccas aint even watch it like that. Then we wonder why it's so hard to get good black !! made.

niccas keep proving these studios right about their skepticism when it comes to making anything besides these coon films for black people.


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Budget $58 million
Box office $49,876,377 (lost the studio 10 million)




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Budget $25 million
Box office $53,345,287 (Made the studio 28 Million)



And we wonder why these studios hesitate to green light anything of substance with a black cast in it?

It's not that black people don't go to the movies, or watch black movies; It's just that when they DO go, they go to watch bull!!. Therefore we will continue to be fed bull!!.
 09-13-2012, 10:40 PMaway - #24
CTre
^^^ exactly its all about money..

thats why Tyler Perry draws people in with the Madea mascot to get his movies out there. It's still a few good independent black movies every once in a while, but as far as being in the theaters? it'll never like it was in the 90s
 09-13-2012, 11:51 PMaway - #25
Peterparker
It's obvious alot of mother!!ers don't know what they are speaking on. If you listen to many successful Black people that have worked in hollywood will tell you why black films/tv shows aren't as successful as shows dominated by white faces.

1. It's not just the black audience that doesn't support multi-dimensional shows with a dominate black cast but other races are not as eager to see shows with middle class average black ppl as much as negros cooning and shucking and jiving.

2. Actually when you have a black show that is multi-dimensional it get's more support from a black audience then many people think. But you need more then just the black demographic when looking at tv ratings.

3.Elite Whites and Jews run hollywood and there has always been big business for cooning. This goes back to black face. Many Elite Whites and Jews in the industry see black people as inferior beings therefore a sitcom that is more realistic w/ black culture wouldn't work in their eye's because if their mentality and the fact that they can't relate.

4. As far as Red Tails alot of black people went to go see that movie. The thing is they kept drilling it in people's head that the movie was a must see for black people instead of selling the fact that the movie was actually a good piece of film. And the film was a piece of !!. I'm not about to put my dollars into anything that I feel is a piece of !!.

5.Sadly it is too many shucking and jiving[..] negros that love these Tyler Perry films and b hood movies that are BET ready. The thing is many black people will[..]ociate themselves with any images of black people on tv or film being that their is a small presence of us on film. Being that the majority of images of black people on tv are nothing but reinforced stereotypes that'll just take what they can get instead of creating there own brand !! DEMANDING.

6.There's plenty of creative black writers in hollywood that push the limits of how black images are portrayed on film. But like I stated before you're dealing in a industry that is dominated by Elite whites and jews and it's very little room for any minorities-black,asian,hispanic,etc.
 09-14-2012, 01:47 AMaway - #26
Flying Jesus
Originally Posted by TheMindOf

And we get "Meet the Browns". But then again if you put a smart black sitcom on TV will niccas watch it?
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 09-14-2012, 06:04 AMaway - #27
KRiSH
Originally Posted by TheMindOf
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Thank you. I always have this argument with people and they call me a hater.

Black comedy hasn't evolved. Its like blacks won't support a sitcom unless there's niccas shucking and jiving or some cooning

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Look at white sitcoms from the 90's and look at them now. The style of comedy has changed so much.

Look at black shows, they still using all the same formulas. These show's haven't changed with the times. There aren't any smart black sitcoms.

I alway get mad that white people get The Office, Parks & Rec, Modern Family, New Girl, Louie, Always Sunny,

And we get "Meet the Browns". But then again if you put a smart black sitcom on TV will niccas watch it?
The black dude in Happy Endings is funny as !!! The way white people in the show interact with him is also funny.

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Last edited by KRiSH; 09-14-2012 at 06:12 AM..
 09-14-2012, 06:27 AMaway - #28
59fifty
I loved bk's finest [pic]
 09-14-2012, 07:26 AMonline - #29
TheMagicMan|M
Originally Posted by TheMindOf
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Thank you. I always have this argument with people and they call me a hater.

Black comedy hasn't evolved. Its like blacks won't support a sitcom unless there's niccas shucking and jiving or some cooning

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Look at white sitcoms from the 90's and look at them now. The style of comedy has changed so much.

Look at black shows, they still using all the same formulas. These show's haven't changed with the times. There aren't any smart black sitcoms.

I alway get mad that white people get The Office, Parks & Rec, Modern Family, New Girl, Louie, Always Sunny,

And we get "Meet the Browns". But then again if you put a smart black sitcom on TV will niccas watch it?
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This right here

People need to stop making "black shows" and just make shows with "black people." For some reason, the 90's / early 2000's did a decent job of this, Fresh Prince, Family Matters, My Wife and Kids, were all comedies that couldve easily been swapped with white actors or hispanic actors and still been funny. Tyler Perry being so successful pretty much put the genre back into the minstrel show box and Hollywood goes where the money is [pic].

As far as dramas, I was happy that although it sucked, Undercovers and least TRIED to do something differently. I'd much rather see black actors get less sidekick work in cable dramas and more leading roles surrounded by White/Multicultural sidekicks and villains.

Alot of that probably has to do with selling pilots, much easier to sell NBC on low risk Matthew Perry shows than a risky Chi McBride show.
 09-14-2012, 07:48 AMonline - #30
TheMagicMan|M
Originally Posted by Peterparker
3.Elite Whites and Jews run hollywood and there has always been big business for cooning. This goes back to black face. Many Elite Whites and Jews in the industry see black people as inferior beings therefore a sitcom that is more realistic w/ black culture wouldn't work in their eye's because if their mentality and the fact that they can't relate.

6.There's plenty of creative black writers in hollywood that push the limits of how black images are portrayed on film. But like I stated before you're dealing in a industry that is dominated by Elite whites and jews and it's very little room for any minorities-black,asian,hispanic,etc.
Well, to be fair, Hollywood blindly follows the $$$. TV and Film now is more a reflection of America than it is Hollywood. Elite whites dont keep minorities off of TV just because it supports their own people or fuels their racial bias, they do it because it's where the money is.

Advertisers drive TV, and it's much easier to sell shampoo products and bottled water to women in Middle America through a NYC or LA based quirky comedy with white lead actors surrounded by over-exaggerated gay men and stereotypical minorities than it is to sell it through any other lineup.
 09-14-2012, 10:34 AMaway - #31
Peterparker
Originally Posted by TheMagicMan
Well, to be fair, Hollywood blindly follows the $$$. TV and Film now is more a reflection of America than it is Hollywood. Elite whites dont keep minorities off of TV just because it supports their own people or fuels their racial bias, they do it because it's where the money is.

Advertisers drive TV, and it's much easier to sell shampoo products and bottled water to women in Middle America through a NYC or LA based quirky comedy with white lead actors surrounded by over-exaggerated gay men and stereotypical minorities than it is to sell it through any other lineup.
Pretty much what I stated..but it's a gang of reasons as to why we don't see as many minorities on film. Money is the main reason but not the only reason. And like I stated it's always big money for cooning.
 09-14-2012, 10:48 AMonline - #32
Nut-In-Honeys
Originally Posted by TheMindOf
George Lucas worked really hard to get a quality black film made and niccas aint even watch it like that. Then we wonder why it's so hard to get good black !! made.

niccas keep proving these studios right about their skepticism when it comes to making anything besides these coon films for black people.


[pic]

Budget $58 million
Box office $49,876,377 (lost the studio 10 million)




[pic]

Budget $25 million
Box office $53,345,287 (Made the studio 28 Million)



And we wonder why these studios hesitate to green light anything of substance with a black cast in it?

It's not that black people don't go to the movies, or watch black movies; It's just that when they DO go, they go to watch bull!!. Therefore we will continue to be fed bull!!.
The both made around the same amount of money at the box office [pic]

Red Tails just cost more money to make.
 09-14-2012, 10:56 AMaway - #33
Kingme
Keeping it real, white sitcom/movies are hot garbage too. Same old recycled stories and corny characters. Hollywood been trash for a minute. Married w Children, Wonder Years, Rossanne, Cheers, >anything white in the last 10 years. Black Hollywood is full of fake niccas that's why its been trash, that and a lack of key talent.
 09-14-2012, 11:46 AMaway - #34
Tron Carter
Originally Posted by KRiSH
The black dude in Happy Endings is funny as !!! The way white people in the show interact with him is also funny.



He's apart of the Wayans family thats why he's funny.

But "white sitcoms" have been way better than "black ones" recently. Only thing made by Tyler Perry I watched without being forced was House of Payne. The style of them are so dry but hilarious. Like the Office and Workaholics..it seems like natural humor. Black sitcoms don't bring that natural humor anymore.
Also look at comedians, for instance Kevin Hart has already been played out basically, but somebody like Will Ferrell for instance who's been around forever is still around. Some black actors choose whatever is thrown their way and thats how they get boring quick.
 09-14-2012, 11:46 AMonline - #35
justinjones
Originally Posted by ReppinDaBurghh
Are you suggesting the Tyler Perry movie's are even remotely good?

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im implying to why it sucks but you seem to miss that

and the reason i don't watch that many black sitcoms because its like if you seen one you seen all of them

Last edited by justinjones; 09-14-2012 at 11:51 AM..
 09-14-2012, 12:31 PMaway - #36
Funeral James
Because white people have to give the green light most of the time and they know what sells...these little coon shows like honey boo boo are doing great numbers even though they are terrible..
 09-14-2012, 02:50 PMonline - #37
TheMindOf
Originally Posted by Nut-In-Honeys
The both made around the same amount of money at the box office [pic]

Red Tails just cost more money to make.
True. But you gotta look at these things from the perspective of an executive.

Both these films did the same numbers but they only made money on one. So what does that tell Hollywood?

1) you can make black movies. But you wanna keep it cheap. You cant make the same 150 million dollar blockbusters with a black cast as you would with a white cast and make a profit.

2) we should stick to making these cheap coon comedies because we're sure to make our money back and it "seems" that those are the only profitable black films that can be made because the opposite hasnt been proven

The closest thing they'll give us to a black blockbuster is putting Will Smith or Denzel in a starring role surrounded by a majority white cast as insurance
 09-14-2012, 03:34 PMaway - #38
xo xo xo
I agree with you. I was saying this the other day. I don't know what happened to black sitcoms and movies now a days. They all are garbage. Its sad how many good quality sitcoms and movies we had back in the days and now we barely have anything decent. Times have change and for the worse.

[pic] Out All Night: Pilot 1/3 - YouTube

^Anyone remember this show??? Don't know why it got canceled.

[pic] Hangin' with Mr. Cooper: Boyz in the Woodz 1/3 - YouTube

[pic] The Parent 'Hood - Old Men Can't Jump (Part 1) - YouTube

^We need quality sitcoms like these back on TV.
 09-14-2012, 06:28 PMaway - #39
Jpimp150
Robert Townsend, Bill Cosby, Will Smith,Martin Lawrence, these people were influential enough in that day to carry a successful show.... Who do we have like that these days? Talentless Reality Stars??
 09-14-2012, 06:40 PMaway - #40
cowlersleycowle
Because they are made on the cheap and dumbed down to appeal to wider audiences but just isolate all
 
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