In your opinion, who is the most undeserving MVP winner?

I know that. That is why we have to debate which MVP winner was the most undeserving. They don't give it to the best player enough. Giving an MVP to Malone because he was an underrated player for 10 years is dumb. Giving an MVP to Rose because you are shocked how good his team W-L was is dumb.

I didn't know that the 5th seeded Hawks had a losing record when we played them in the 2nd round....And you can't compare Dirk to Rose. Rose only played 1 game while Dirk played the whole series. And do you really think we would've lost that series to Philly if Rose was healthy? And you of all people should know that the playoffs is totally different from the regular season...

First its "you guys almost lost the series to the Pacers", "but, but Rose is getting all the superstar calls" now "but, but you guys had the easiest path to the ECF." Which one is it?

I know that. That is why we have to debate which MVP winner was the most undeserving. They don't give it to the best player enough. Giving an MVP to Malone because he was an underrated player for 10 years is dumb. Giving an MVP to Rose because you are shocked how good his team W-L was is dumb.

Wes unseld [pic]

do you know what the word combined means? it means when you add 2 things together.

do you know what the phrase "mutually exclusive" means? because the ideas in the question you posed are not mutually exclusive. in fact, all of them being true would be even worse for you.

I know what combined means. I'm not stupid. I was just saying that the Hawks didn't have a losing record. I can comprehend what you're saying. Can you comprehend what I'm saying..

And you're really making a big deal off a 1 loss difference. ONE LOSS DIFFERENCE...[pic]

Like I said playoffs are much different than the regular season, and you should know this..

Actually 2003-2004, the #1 Pacers played the 36-46 Celtics first round and 42-40 Heat the next round

Hawks/Pacers = 81-83
Pacers/Heat = 78-86

You could probably go back further and find easier routes [pic]

But combined works so much better because it fits his argument while he completely ignores Chi City posts, in regards to Miami's first championship season and the route they took.

Ignoring the importance of the regular season, and being the best team so you can have the easiest route to the conference finals.

Typical BX behavior.

I know what combined means. I'm not stupid. I was just saying that the Hawks didn't have a losing record. I can comprehend what you're saying. Can you comprehend what I'm saying..

And you're really making a big deal off a difference of 2 L's. TWO LOSS DIFFERENCE...[pic]

Like I said playoffs are much different than the regular season, and you should know this..

i looked at them going back to 2000 before. i pulled it up now to check. i was also looking at scoring margin as well at the time. you and those pacers were the only teams in that span to face 2 teams with a combined losing record and negative scoring margin, and your opponent's margin was worse, so that's where that came from. any way you slice it, it's pretty pathetic that the 1 seed considers it an accomplishment that they had a bye to the ECF.

accolades come few and far between for you guys since jordan retired though, so you take what you can get i guess [pic]

i looked at them going back to 2000 before. i pulled it up now to check. i was also looking at scoring margin as well at the time. you and those pacers were the only teams in that span to face 2 teams with a combined losing record and negative scoring margin, and your opponent's margin was worse, so that's where that came from. any way you slice it, it's pretty pathetic that the 1 seed considers it an accomplishment that they had a bye to the ECF.

accolades come few and far between for you guys since jordan retired though, so you take what you can get i guess [pic]

It's an accomplishment that we wen't from the #8 seed to the #1 seed.. Went from being bounced out of the first round the previous 2 seasons to making it to the ECF since 98.. Yes it's an accomplishment. PERIOD.

We earned the #1 seed, we earned the easiest path. If people got a problem with it, then pray your team gets the #1 seed in the reg season and stop !!ing about something thats been that way since this format was created.

It's pathetic, but if they had lost earlier in the first or 2nd round, how many threads would there have been about it. Nothings guaranteed. Ask Dirk in 08 losing to the Warriors, when they won like 67 games regular season.

They did what was expected, but they also made a 21 game improvement with a roster that featured 8 new players on it AND a new head coach. It's nothing to hang on your fridge, but it's not something you can !! on them for. They didn't get to choose who they played.

there's nothing wrong with having won those games, you play who's in front of you. i'm pointing it out because dude was in here beating his chest about it like it was all that taxing to get through those 2 series.

The Pacers and Hawks did play hard tho [pic]

and you got co-executive of the year and coach of the year for that. this thread is laughing about getting MVP for it. the turnaround wasn't because rose became GOAT.

he was borderline top 10 that year and his numbers were not eye popping.

he won by default because he was the team's star and public sentiment turned against lebron so they wanted an anti-lebron.

and you got co-executive of the year and coach of the year for that. this thread is laughing about getting MVP for it. the turnaround wasn't because rose became GOAT. he was borderline top 10 that year and his numbers were not eye popping. he won by default because he was the team's star and public sentiment turned against lebron so they wanted an anti-lebron.



there's nothing wrong with having won those games, you play who's in front of you. i'm pointing it out because dude was in here beating his chest about it like it was all that taxing to get through those 2 series.

You damn right we got Executive of the year.. We struck out on the Bosh/Wade/Bron sweepstakes, and our plan B wound up giving us the best record in the league and they also hired the coach of the year.. And you think RILEY was the reason for LeBron joining Miami? THat !! was planned and seed was planted in the 08 summers.. Riley didn't deserve it because he really didn't have to do !!. Wade did all the work. Who said Rose became GOAT? He WAS the best player at his position THAT year, his team DID have the best record, he WAS there only option in the 4th during close games, he HAD NO other All-Star make his team.. Boozer and Noah DID miss a combined 50 games.. Yet Rose still executed, still delivered in the clutch, and still led the Bulls to the best record.

Name me 9 players who would have carried that team to the ECF, they better be able to score at a high rate and distribute at a high rate also..

Thats funny because the actual voters did not say this was the reason why they didnt vote for LeBron.. Yet you say this with conviction as if you know this to be fact. Hilarious.

Rose won by default? I guess missing our 2 starting big men for damn near 70 combined, while playing with a bench player (Bogans) as our starting SG that couldn't make an open shot to save his life, and carrying the team with everything I just said is considered winning an MVP by default according to you and the rest of boxden...[pic]

Edit: not 70, but almost 60 games combined.

the same guy !!ing about something that was obvious conjecture is now basing his argument off internet nerd conspiracy theories in the same post [pic]

so again, when rose missed half of this season and boozer and noah and deng are the ones who stepped up and kept the team in the #1 spot, why didn't they get some MVP love? same rules should apply.

score and distribute at a high rate? he shot under 42% for the first 2 rounds. you guys continue to blur the lines between regular season and playoffs talking about a regular season award. i don't think a lot of guys would have had that dud/choke job in the ECF either. he finished 9th in PER. that made him a borderline top 10 performer that year.

lebron, howard, wade, love, kobe, CP3, durant, westbrook, rose, dirk. that was the top 10 that year. he was not even better than westbrook.

[pic] no !!! here i thought the voters gave a reason! it's crazy that i would imply that i had proof of that obvious notion!