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 Why Yall Think Shaq is the most dominant center
 06-25-2012, 12:56 PMaway - #101
kainoa1
Originally Posted by r.burgundy
shaq was 35 after he left tha heat and had chronic injuries.tha fact that he won a chip wit jason williams an antoine walker should be enough
wade won that chip for them

but what does age 35 have to do with anything

wilt coulda dominated the L when he was in his 50's

Kareem still was cooking people in his late 30's

Shaq was just never a hard worker he became a bum after he left the heat
 06-25-2012, 12:56 PMonline - #102
r.burgundy
Originally Posted by StateProperty88
that was his prime, that dont mean is the same for every damn person [pic], shaq played like 5 more years too. you cant be like "well this guy was in his prime at 32, so this guy has to be as well", thats not how it works. like i said when wilt went to LA he was on the decline and no longer in his prime
so please tell us who u are to say when wilts prime was?any great player i know was still winnin rings around that age.
 06-25-2012, 12:57 PMonline - #103
r.burgundy
Originally Posted by kainoa1
wade won that chip for them

but what does age 35 have to do with anything

wilt coulda dominated the L when he was in his 50's

Kareem still was cooking people in his late 30's

Shaq was just never a hard worker he became a bum after he left the heat
sure buddy
 06-25-2012, 12:57 PMaway - #104
kainoa1
Originally Posted by EnlightenMe
you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. bill russell was a role player? [pic] you're saying people aside from russell and wilt were having 30 to 40 rebounds per game? the hell are you talking about? look at the list of all-time rebound leaders. wilt and russ are 1 and 2, and by a huge margin. no one was rebounding at their level during their time. and this whole notion that they were playing against people alot smaller than them is laughable. the average height and weight of the nba players of back then (from the 1960's on) hasn't changed much at all. it's increased only by 1 inch and 10 pounds. and kareem used to cook wilt? [pic] you clearly don't know the history of the game. you're just talking out of their[..].
[pic]

my man always comes in with the dagger salute to u legend
 06-25-2012, 01:00 PMaway - #105
EnlightenMe
Originally Posted by r.burgundy
so please tell us who u are to say when wilts prime was?any great player i know was still winnin rings around that age.
you don't know what you're talking about. you don't know the history of the game and the circumstances wilt had to overcome and it's evident by your responses [pic]
 06-25-2012, 01:00 PMaway - #106
kainoa1
Originally Posted by r.burgundy
sure buddy
"Into his 50s and his 60s, Chamberlain remained an incredible specimen -- a mountain of a man who was as coordinated and talented athletically as he was imposing physically.

The Cleveland Cavaliers called him in the early '80s and asked him if he'd still be interested in playing. Five or six years later, when Chamberlain was 50, the New Jersey Nets had the same idea."


[pic]

gtfo out this thread !!ing idiot
 06-25-2012, 01:01 PMonline - #107
StateProperty88
Originally Posted by r.burgundy
so please tell us who u are to say when wilts prime was?any great player i know was still winnin rings around that age.
just because you're winning rings dont mean you're in the prime of your career, that just means you had the best team that year. just because shaq won with the heat doesnt mean he was in his prime. you arguing apple and oranges on that one. if im not mistaken (which i dont think i am) the only great that wilt had with him during his prime is greer. he got billy his first two season in the league (and WON one of those years)
 06-25-2012, 01:03 PMonline - #108
r.burgundy
Originally Posted by EnlightenMe
you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. bill russell was a role player? [pic] you're saying people aside from russell and wilt were having 30 to 40 rebounds per game? the hell are you talking about? look at the list of all-time rebound leaders. wilt and russ are 1 and 2, and by a huge margin. no one was rebounding at their level during their time. and this whole notion that they were playing against people alot smaller than them is laughable. the average height and weight of the nba players of back then (from the 1960's on) hasn't changed much at all. it's increased only by 1 inch and 10 pounds. and kareem used to cook wilt? [pic] you clearly don't know the history of the game. you're just talking out of their[..].
what was he then lol?he neva even averaged 20 lol.if u average more rebs than points,then yes u are a role player[pic]

wtf lol.u eva heard of nate thurmond,walt bellamy,plenty of dudes beasted on tha glass

laughable lol.how many 6'10 small fwds were there back in that day?hell how many were even 6'8 or 6'9?i'll wait...


check their final stats and get back to me
 06-25-2012, 01:03 PMaway - #109
Killa KMS
Wilt wasn't half the man he was when he went to LA after knee surgery and still dominated games. For the last time if yall think Wilt wouldnt dominate in todays game yall are straight idiots. Dude was an athlete a damn track and field star had tons of stamina. How many mu!!ers can average 48 mins a game for a whole season? How many can be efficient every minute on the court? He may not be a fat !! like shaq was but he had brute strength and would be way stronger in todays day and age. He was long as hell had post game can pass out the post and own the paint on defense. Rebounded better than shaq could ever dream of. Wont even keep debating yall dudes make no sense. So Jordan would flourish with new tech and equipment but freaks of nature like Wilt wouldnt? Unlike Shaq he would use all to his advantage.
 06-25-2012, 01:05 PMaway - #110
Killa KMS
Lmao at winning means prime i guess KG was in his prime when he won with boston.... Clyde Drexler when he won with Hakeem....
 06-25-2012, 01:08 PMaway - #111
kainoa1
Originally Posted by Killa KMS
Wilt wasn't half the man he was when he went to LA after knee surgery and still dominated games. For the last time if yall think Wilt wouldnt dominate in todays game yall are straight idiots. Dude was an athlete a damn track and field star had tons of stamina. How many mu!!ers can average 48 mins a game for a whole season? How many can be efficient every minute on the court? He may not be a fat !! like shaq was but he had brute strength and would be way stronger in todays day and age. He was long as hell had post game can pass out the post and own the paint on defense. Rebounded better than shaq could ever dream of. Wont even keep debating yall dudes make no sense. So Jordan would flourish with new tech and equipment but freaks of nature like Wilt wouldnt? Unlike Shaq he would use all to his advantage.
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/thread


Wilt was an Olympic track athlete i forgot to add
 06-25-2012, 01:09 PMonline - #112
r.burgundy
Originally Posted by StateProperty88
just because you're winning rings dont mean you're in the prime of your career, that just means you had the best team that year. just because shaq won with the heat doesnt mean he was in his prime. you arguing apple and oranges on that one. if im not mistaken (which i dont think i am) the only great that wilt had with him during his prime is greer. he got billy his first two season in the league (and WON one of those years)
and like i said,who are u to say when wilts prime was???
 06-25-2012, 01:10 PMaway - #113
EnlightenMe
Originally Posted by r.burgundy
what was he then lol?he neva even averaged 20 lol.if u average more rebs than points,then yes u are a role player[pic]

wtf lol.u eva heard of nate thurmond,walt bellamy,plenty of dudes beasted on tha glass

laughable lol.how many 6'10 small fwds were there back in that day?hell how many were even 6'8 or 6'9?i'll wait...


check their final stats and get back to me
you're a moron. did you even look at the all time rebounds per game leader? chamberlain and russ beasted everyone else on the glass. those guys you mentioned are good but aren't in the same class as russ and wilt. you don't know anything about how the game has evolved. there was a much larger emphasis on team basketball then there was today. you keep trying to be cute and quote ppg yet you know nothing about how teams played and the strategic philosophies implemented during that time. and wilt played against small guys? another myth madeup by people who don't know what the hell they are talking about. here is a list of just some of the big men chamberlain played against:

Walter Dukes (7'0", 220 lbs.)
Swede Halbrook (7'3, 235 lbs.)
Tom Boerwinkle (7'0", 265 lbs.)
Bob Lanier (6'11", 265 lbs.)
Darrall Imhoff (6'10", 220 lbs.)
Otto Moore (6'11", 210 lbs.)
Sam Lacey (6'10", 235 lbs.)
George Johnson (6'11", 245 lbs.)
Paul Ruffner (6'10", 230 lbs.)
!! Cunningham (6'10", 245 lbs.)
Walt Bellamy (6'11", 225 lbs.)
Leroy Ellis (6'10", 210 lbs.)
Nate Thurmond (6'11", 235 lbs.)
Mel Counts (7'0", 235 lbs.)
Nate Bowman (6'10", 230 lbs.)
Clyde Lee (6'10", 210 lbs.)
Walt Wesley (6'11", 230 lbs.)
Henry Akin (6'10", 225 lbs.)
Hank Finkel (7'0", 240 lbs.)
Lew Alcindor aka Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (7'2", 225 lbs.)
Neal Walk (6'10", 220 lbs.)
Elmore Smith (7'0", 250 lbs.)
Jim McDaniels (6'11", 230 lbs.)
LaRue Martin (6'11", 215 lbs.)
Tom Riker (6'10", 225 lbs.)
Conrad Dierking (6'9", 225 lbs.)
Johnny “Red” Kerr (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Bob Pettit (6'9", 220 lbs.)
Spencer Haywood (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Rick Roberson (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Luke Jackson (6'9", 240 lbs.)
Duke Hogue (6'9," 240 lbs.)
Zelmo Beaty (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Len Chappell (6'9", 240 lbs.)
Elvin Hayes (6'9", 235 lbs.)
Hub Reed (6'9", 220 lbs.)

just stop talking [pic]

Last edited by EnlightenMe; 06-25-2012 at 06:18 PM..
 06-25-2012, 01:10 PMonline - #114
r.burgundy
Originally Posted by Killa KMS
Lmao at winning means prime i guess KG was in his prime when he won with boston.... Clyde Drexler when he won with Hakeem....
no,but rajon rondo was and witout him,well we know what happens

no,but hakeem was[pic]
 06-25-2012, 01:13 PMaway - #115
Killa KMS
This bs is equivalent to people saying Jim Brown wouldn't whoop nobodies[..] in todays NFL.... All yall dudes crazy man.
 06-25-2012, 01:13 PMaway - #116
Killa KMS
Originally Posted by r.burgundy
no,but rajon rondo was and witout him,well we know what happens

no,but hakeem was[pic]
How was rondo in his prime in 08??????
 06-25-2012, 01:15 PMonline - #117
r.burgundy
Originally Posted by EnlightenMe
you're a moron. did you even look at the all time rebounds per game leader? chamberlain and russ beasted everyone else on the glass. those guys you mentioned are good but aren't in the same class as russ and wilt. you don't know anything about how the game has evolved. there was a much larger emphasis on team basketball then there was today. you keep trying to be cute and quote ppg yet you know nothing about how teams played and the strategic philosophies implemented during that time. and wilt played against small guys? another myth madeup by people who don't know what the hell they are talking about. here is a list of just some of the guys chamberlain played against:

Walter Dukes (7'0", 220 lbs.)
Swede Halbrook (7'3, 235 lbs.)
Tom Boerwinkle (7'0", 265 lbs.)
Bob Lanier (6'11", 265 lbs.)
Darrall Imhoff (6'10", 220 lbs.)
Otto Moore (6'11", 210 lbs.)
Sam Lacey (6'10", 235 lbs.)
George Johnson (6'11", 245 lbs.)
Paul Ruffner (6'10", 230 lbs.)
!! Cunningham (6'10", 245 lbs.)
Walt Bellamy (6'11", 225 lbs.)
Leroy Ellis (6'10", 210 lbs.)
Nate Thurmond (6'11", 235 lbs.)
Mel Counts (7'0", 235 lbs.)
Nate Bowman (6'10", 230 lbs.)
Clyde Lee (6'10", 210 lbs.)
Walt Wesley (6'11", 230 lbs.)
Henry Akin (6'10", 225 lbs.)
Hank Finkel (7'0", 240 lbs.)
Lew Alcindor aka Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (7'2", 225 lbs.)
Neal Walk (6'10", 220 lbs.)
Elmore Smith (7'0", 250 lbs.)
Jim McDaniels (6'11", 230 lbs.)
LaRue Martin (6'11", 215 lbs.)
Tom Riker (6'10", 225 lbs.)
Conrad Dierking (6'9", 225 lbs.)
Johnny “Red” Kerr (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Bob Pettit (6'9", 220 lbs.)
Spencer Haywood (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Rick Roberson (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Luke Jackson (6'9", 240 lbs.)
Duke Hogue (6'9," 240 lbs.)
Zelmo Beaty (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Len Chappell (6'9", 240 lbs.)
Elvin Hayes (6'9", 235 lbs.)
Hub Reed (6'9", 220 lbs.)
[pic]did u even read any posts?i said alot of guys had huge rebounding games,i didnt say !! about averages

who said wilt and russ werent beasts on tha glass???

who said wilt played against small white guys??learn to !!in read instead of just tryin to be so quik to argue.tha only time i mentioned smaller white guys was in relation to bill russell havin tha best shot timing in nba history
 06-25-2012, 01:17 PMonline - #118
r.burgundy
Originally Posted by Killa KMS
How was rondo in his prime in 08??????
rondo wasnt/isnt in his prime?i mean !!,this guy just told me that wilt wasnt in his prime at 31 so im im guessin primes must be around 21,22.

and regardless,pierce was prime,ray allen slight decline[pic]
 06-25-2012, 01:18 PMonline - #119
StateProperty88
Originally Posted by r.burgundy
and like i said,who are u to say when wilts prime was???
well the sixers are my team, and like i said previously in the thread i have been blessed enough to rub shoulders and talk to historians of the game through different avenues. combine that with wilt averaging career lows in LA, i doubt you can be in you're prime when all of your production is declining, or inclining for that matter (but for wilt it was clearly a decline)
 06-25-2012, 01:23 PMaway - #120
X_WunderKind_X
6 pages in, this thread has gone from outlandish to interesting. [pic] Basketball knowledge is flowing in here, I'm learning a lot
 
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