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 What's wrong with Peyton Manning
topic by Roo 50 - 12-01-2010, 09:50 AM


As Peyton Manning(notes) wallows in the worst slump of his Hall of Fame career, there is a fair question to be asked about the greatest thrower of this era:

Does this put a chink in the armor of talk leading up to Super Bowl XLIV that he is the greatest quarterback of his time? Is he clearly behind Tom Brady(notes) and about to get passed by the likes of Philip Rivers(notes)

Manning is in a major slump by his lofty standards. Qualifying this slump is important because even at his worst, most coaches would trade some body parts to have the Indianapolis Colts quarterback under center.

“Yeah, you better point that out,” said a head coach from another AFC team, who said he would deal his quarterback and three first-round picks for Manning right now. “And the Colts would still turn me down.”

Fair enough, but what’s going wrong right now?

“There’s no question he’s forcing things right now and he’s not comfortable. Their running game is so bad – way worse than it has been even the last couple of years – that he can’t lean on that and he’s just not comfortable throwing to some of the guys they have. He just looks really out of sync. The first two picks he threw against New England were totally out of character.”



Over his past four games, Manning has thrown nine interceptions. That marks one of five times in his career he has done that (12 is his most in a five-game span). This stretch, with the 6-5 Colts losing all three games in which Manning has been picked, stands out as the worst for a couple of reasons.

Unlike in 2007, which is the last time this happened, Manning has been truly been bad in more than one game. The 2007 stretch happened to be marked by a career-worst six-interception game against San Diego. In the other three games, Manning threw only one interception in each game, making that more of a blip on the radar than a prolonged run of poor play.

The other three times this has happened came in the first five games of his rookie season in 1998 and twice in 2001. In ’01, Manning was without running back Edgerrin James(notes) for most of the season and wide receiver Reggie Wayne(notes) was a rookie in the midst of catching just 27 passes as a complement to leading receiver Marvin Harrison(notes). In short, both Manning and the entire Colts offense were still in the development stage.

[Read more: Another Colts star in a serious slump]

This season is different. Manning, who had a four-year stretch from 2003-06 in which he didn’t throw more than 10 interceptions in a season, is in his 13th year. He has seen every situation and studied every defense. There is nothing he hasn’t seen.

Of course, many would argue that Manning is dealing with a ridiculous injury situation. Not only is tight end Dallas Clark(notes) out for the year, but wide receivers Pierre Garcon(notes), Austin Collie(notes) and Anthony Gonzalez(notes) have been in and out of the lineup all season and Wayne is banged up. At running back, the Colts have gone through Joseph Addai(notes), Donald Brown(notes), Mike Hart(notes) and even Javarris James(notes) (Edgerrin’s little cousin). The Colts’ running game is so bad that the team is passing nearly two-thirds of the time (256 rushing attempts vs. 486 passes and 13 sacks).

“They got away with that running game last season because everything else was perfect,” the aforementioned head coach said. “Now, if a couple things go wrong with the receivers, they can’t lean on the running game at all.”

Those are fair points. At the same time, both Tom Brady in New England and Philip Rivers in San Diego have endured plenty of changeover at those positions.

Brady, whose 9-2 Patriots are tied for the league’s best mark, is working with two rookie tight ends (Aaron Hernandez(notes) and Rob Gronkowski(notes)), a new deep threat after the Patriots sent Randy Moss(notes) packing and traded for Deion Branch(notes) after four games, a second-year receiver who didn’t play last season (Brandon Tate(notes)) and another wide receiver (Wes Welker(notes)) who is still coming back from a significant knee injury. In the backfield, the mainstays from last year (Kevin Faulk(notes) and Laurence Maroney(notes)) have been injured and traded, respectively, and replaced by BenJarvus Green-Ellis(notes) and a guy who opened this season on the Jets practice squad (Danny Woodhead(notes)).

In San Diego, Rivers basically has had his best deep threat from 2009 (Vincent Jackson(notes)) unavailable all season. Antonio Gates(notes), Malcom Floyd(notes), Legedu Naanee(notes) and Patrick Crayton(notes) have all missed significant time with injuries and rookie running back Ryan Mathews(notes) has been hobbled almost all season for the 6-5 Chargers.

Despite those revolving doors, both Brady and Rivers are among the top contenders for the MVP award. Rivers is having a stunning season, averaging an incredible 8.9 yards per pass attempt.

That kind of evidence can change the view of Manning.

“All that stuff makes you think twice,” the head coach said. “Can Peyton adjust when things aren’t perfect? Most years, things have been perfect. This year is different. But, like I said, I’ll take him. If he walked in my office door this minute, he’d be starting for me on Sunday.

“[Expletive], who am I kidding, if he walked in five minutes before the game, he’d be starting.”
Colts' Manning in midst of arguably worst slump - NFL - Yahoo! Sports


35 comments for "What's wrong with Peyton Manning"


 12-01-2010, 09:51 AMaway - #2
thatruest 1 heat pts

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Key team injuries.
 12-01-2010, 09:52 AMaway - #3
smokeweed101. 4 heat pts

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Its not his fault, Reggie is in the worst slump of his career, the offensive line is in the worst slump of its career, Freeny/Mathis are in the worst slumps of their career, and the trainers/doctors are in the worst slump of their career. Peyton can't do it on his own.
 12-01-2010, 09:53 AMaway - #4
DERRTY CHYBO 8 heat pts

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Stopped reading after the first couple lines. Saying Manning is about to get passed up by Rivers in terms of GOATness? Yeah ok...
 12-01-2010, 09:58 AMaway - #5
Dope Bai 1 heat pts

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Originally Posted by smokeweed101.
Its not his fault, Reggie is in the worst slump of his career, the offensive line is in the worst slump of its career, Freeny/Mathis are in the worst slumps of their career, and the trainers/doctors are in the worst slump of their career. Peyton can't do it on his own.
sarcastic???
 12-01-2010, 10:00 AMaway - #6
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All I know is...it isn't Peyton's fault...it's NEVER Peyton's fault

it doesn't matter that he still has Wayne who is one of the best receivers the last 5 years

it doesn't matter that he can throw away a game just as fast as he can win one
 12-01-2010, 10:21 AMaway - #7
thatruest 1 heat pts

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Originally Posted by Liquid-Science
All I know is...it isn't Peyton's fault...it's NEVER Peyton's fault

it doesn't matter that he still has Wayne who is one of the best receivers the last 5 years

it doesn't matter that he can throw away a game just as fast as he can win one

In all fairness, he made mistakes vs San Diego, I can agree with that. People are so quick to forget that he did get the Colts back in the game @ NE which is said to be the best team in the AFC. Win as much as Peyton, things are forgiven. Can't stand this crowd who always seems to be lost in wonderment as to why everybody doesn't #### on Peyton when he goes through this. He wins. Best regular season quarterback ever. It's not like we're talking about McNabb here. Lol.
 12-01-2010, 10:22 AMaway - #8
Illstreet 36 heat pts36

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He's playing with a bunch of Practice squad players...

And he's still 3rd in Passing yards I think.
 12-01-2010, 10:22 AMaway - #9
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I like how the article mentions how Rivers and Brady both have injuries to deal with also. People have been quick to use those injuries as a excuse to why Peyton is struggling.

Lmao@Manning having a 90 rating and thats considered 'struggling'. Dude has ridiculous standards
 12-01-2010, 10:27 AMaway - #10
J.BEEZY 7 heat pts

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short answer: he doesnt have a running game and his teams defense is bad
 12-01-2010, 10:30 AMaway - #11
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Originally Posted by smokeweed101.
Its not his fault, Reggie is in the worst slump of his career, the offensive line is in the worst slump of its career, Freeny/Mathis are in the worst slumps of their career, and the trainers/doctors are in the worst slump of their career. Peyton can't do it on his own.
The offensive line is about the only thing that is hurting them... Freeney and MAthis are still causing havoc... The Colts pass defense is still great... Phillip Rivers has torched teams this year but couldnt torch the Colts D...

Honestly they wouldnt have won the last two games anyway against the Pats and Chargers healthy or not... They just wouldnt have looked so bad...
 12-01-2010, 10:36 AMaway - #12
shadymilkman 9 heat pts

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Injuries, bad timing with garcon, bad luck with receivers slipping, Manning simply not having one of his better years, and a defense that can't stop anyone.
 12-01-2010, 10:38 AMaway - #13
dre03 

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Originally Posted by J.BEEZY
short answer: he doesnt have a running game and his teams defense is bad
Their defense is not bad... Their defense has been the only thing keeping them in the games as of late... They have had to deal with like 11 turnovers in the last 4 games... 9 of which came from Manning... They single handedly won the game against Cincinnati... As the Colts offense managed absolutely nothing...

Their defense isnt great but they damn sure are good enough to maintain leads... Just the Colts havent had leads to maintain
 12-01-2010, 10:42 AMaway - #14
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Originally Posted by thatruest
In all fairness, he made mistakes vs San Diego, I can agree with that. People are so quick to forget that he did get the Colts back in the game @ NE which is said to be the best team in the AFC.
Up 31-14 we will let any QB pass down the field to be even more fair. The putting up 30 with ease is the reason they are so good not keeping the lead the same after.
 12-01-2010, 10:43 AMaway - #15
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Originally Posted by DERRTY CHYBO
Stopped reading after the first couple lines. Saying Manning is about to get passed up by Rivers in terms of GOATness? Yeah ok...
Yea wtf is that bull#### all about? Writer needs to slap his silly self.
 12-01-2010, 10:45 AMaway - #16
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just having a down seaosn by his standards. Doubt its anything to worry about.

And Rvers isnt about to pass him. Peyton is still an amazing QB...it really is too bad he struggle sin big games...for how good a regular season Qb he is, he should be a better performer in the clutch
 12-01-2010, 10:45 AMaway - #17
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Originally Posted by dre03
The offensive line is about the only thing that is hurting them... Freeney and MAthis are still causing havoc... The Colts pass defense is still great... Phillip Rivers has torched teams this year but couldnt torch the Colts D...

Honestly they wouldnt have won the last two games anyway against the Pats and Chargers healthy or not... They just wouldnt have looked so bad...
I know his team is solid, it was sarcasm because the media wants to pretend the team blows.
 12-01-2010, 10:55 AMaway - #18
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Originally Posted by legendisdope
if there was another qb leadin the colts theyd prolly have like 2-3 wins.. every body gettn injured and #### but manning still servin it..
Ryan Fitzpatrick has matched that with half the team and a harder schedule.
 12-01-2010, 10:55 AMaway - #19
NomiS 2 heat pts

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a vet on a team of freshmans.. best way to put it
 12-01-2010, 11:05 AMaway - #20
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Originally Posted by thatruest
In all fairness, he made mistakes vs San Diego, I can agree with that. People are so quick to forget that he did get the Colts back in the game @ NE which is said to be the best team in the AFC. Win as much as Peyton, things are forgiven. Can't stand this crowd who always seems to be lost in wonderment as to why everybody doesn't #### on Peyton when he goes through this. He wins. Best regular season quarterback ever. It's not like we're talking about McNabb here. Lol.
lmao @ best regular season QB ever...yeah but that shouldn't get you the treatment that Peyton gets

the way folks slob over Peyton you'd think he has playoff numbers like Brady, Montana or playoff wins like Aikman, Bradshaw

Peyton gets rocked by every good team of his generation, when you can't beat the best teams, you ain't really ####

and everyone always wants to blame the defense...Peyton handed the Chargers 14 points last week...the defense was holding the Chargers to field goals most of the game

the Colts losses in the playoffs are always because Peyton didn't put up points
 

 



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