manu vs ray allen intresting stats career wise

By dman 4901 - 07-16-2012, 06:01 PM - Boxden > BX SportsCenter

who had a better career an who was the better player from an overall perspective.........

Walter Ray Allen

36 yrs old 16 year vet 10x all star

career stats
mpg 36.9 20 ppg 3.6 apg 4.2 rpg
FT% .894 3PT% .400 FG% .452

career playoffs
mpg 38.8 19.2 ppg apg 3 rpg 4
FT% .882 3PT% .402 FG% .447

true shooting % .579 Effective Field Goal % .529 Offensive Win Shares 105.7
Player Efficiency Rating 19

nba champion 2008 all time 3pts made champion
won an Olympic gold medal as a member of the 2000 United States men's basketball team
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Emanuel David Ginobili

34 yrs old 10 yr vet 2x all star

career stats
mpg 27.9 ppg 15.2 apg 3.9 rpg 3.2
FT% .835 3PT% .373 FG% .452

career playoffs
mpg 31 ppg 16,2 apg 3.8 rpg 4.5
FT% .825 PT% 368 FG% 441

True Shooting Pct .591 Effective Field Goal Pct .522 Offensive Win Shares 117.2
Player Efficiency Rating 21.8

3x nba champion 2003,2005,2007 made the euro-step famous by the way

Euroleague champion, 2001
· Euroleague finals MVP, 2001
· All-Euroleague, first team, 2001-02
· Season ranking, 1: steals, 2001-02
· Decade ranking, 1: steals, season (62)
· Decade ranking, 1: steals, average (2.7)
· Named one of the 50 Greatest Contributors in Euroleague club basketball history

Olympic Gold Medals: 1 - Athens 2004 with Argentina National Team
World Championships: 2nd in the 2002 FIBA World Cup with Argentina National Team

Summer Olympic Games MVP: 1 - Athens 2004
Ideal Olympics Team: 1 - Athens 2004
World Championships Ideal Team: 1 - 2002 Indianapolis
Italian League MVP: 2 - 2001 and 2002
Italian Cup MVP: 1 - 2002
Italian League All-Star: 3 - 1999, 2000 and 2001
Italian League Most Improved Player: 1 - 2000

07-16-2012, 06:05 PM

but rings tho

Or does that not apply to Manu? [pic]

07-16-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by White Face

Ray allen, not even a conversation.

manu is a more of an international star than a nba legend.

i dont think manu is just a euro guy hes won at every level NBA, EURO LEAGUE AN WON A GOLD METAL an he was the best or second best player at every level after during the spurs dyn@sty we talkin duncan an then manu or parker the stats an that far apart either

07-16-2012, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by X_WunderKind_X

but rings tho

Or does that not apply to Manu? [pic]

i laffed my[..] off when my friend made this comparison then i did some reserch an was like [pic] he might be right

07-16-2012, 06:21 PM

Manu>>>lil Walter

07-16-2012, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by V.R. Nabor

Manu>>>lil Walter

i might have to agree

07-16-2012, 06:39 PM

Manu.

07-16-2012, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Blacknitro

If u look at the numbers "per 36 minutes", Ginobili is the better player. Kinda sad that he didn't seem interested in maximizing his potential.

Look at the ppg fg% apg and rpg under the "Per 36 Minutes" section. Ginobili is the better than Allen.

Career Per 36 minutes

Ginobili - 19.6 ppg 45% 5.1 rpg and 5.1 apg
Allen- 19.6 ppg 45% 4.1 rpg and 3.5 apg

word thats what i found out but manu is the ultimate team player also an he can fit anywhere from 1-3 an is very coachable i was shocked when i found these stats an all his championships he won over the years

07-16-2012, 06:44 PM

Ray allen>>>>

best three point shooter of all time. And he didn't have a tim duncan.

07-16-2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Phonk$

Ray allen>>>>

best three point shooter of all time. And he didn't have a tim duncan.

yea but manu is a winner an can do anything ray can do. duncan really doesnt matter in this comparison manu did win a olympic mvp tho without duncan an hes a team player

07-16-2012, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Galactus

He played or less games... He came in the lg already seasoned. Of course avgd favor Manu.

As far as rings......

One guy played with duncan his entire career

yea but look at the big picture manu won at every level tho even without duncan

07-16-2012, 06:56 PM

Manu has a superior basketball resume.

Young Ray was an animal tho

07-16-2012, 06:57 PM

give me manu

07-16-2012, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by TriniSoldier

Manu has a superior basketball resume.

Young Ray was an animal tho

thats wat im say manu is greatly underrated as a player this is one case of it too everybody would just say ray but its closer than people think

07-16-2012, 07:07 PM

I'd be a little bias, but ray is a beast non to less

outside of 3 pt efficiency, manu has the better game... better defender, better at attacking the basket, and a good notch above ray in playmaking ability.... taking into account that Ray could also put the ball on the floor earlier in his career

Spurs played in a half court dominant offense, the majority of his prime.... I'm sure if he played in other spots, his stats would be more impressive... He was by a good notch the Most Valuable Player threwout most of the 2005 playoff run also...

Ray is more efficient, but Manu can impact and win big games on a higher level... He has won at every level... both of them have been extremely clutch, huge fans of both....

07-16-2012, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by ginobili 20

I'd be a little bias, but ray is a beast non to less

outside of 3 pt efficiency, manu has the better game... better defender, better at attacking the basket, and a good notch above ray in playmaking ability.... taking into account that Ray could also put the ball on the floor earlier in his career

Spurs played in a half court dominant offense, the majority of his prime.... I'm sure if he played in other spots, his stats would be more impressive... He was by a good notch the Most Valuable Player threwout most of the 2005 playoff run also...

Ray is more efficient, but Manu can impact and win big games on a higher level... He has won at every level... both of them have been extremely clutch, huge fans of both....

[pic]

when i really sit everything you said was what i was thinking to

07-16-2012, 08:30 PM

Manu >>>> the bald !!

07-16-2012, 08:36 PM

[pic]

Originally Posted by elvisfreshly

Manu >>>> the bald !!

07-16-2012, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by dman 4901

yea but look at the big picture manu won at every level tho even without duncan

so did ray allen [pic]

1 olympic gold, and 2 non olympic gold medals.

ray allen is better than manu, and yes tim duncan has a lot to do with this argument because of the discrepancy in rings which were due to the situations they were both in, so it shouldn't be perceived advantage for manu. [pic]

inb4juniorg but I couldn't make it before elvis [pic]

09:12 PM

Originally Posted by whothebestmc

so did ray allen [pic]

1 olympic gold, and 2 non olympic gold medals.

ray allen is better than manu, and yes tim duncan has a lot to do with this argument because of the discrepancy in rings which were due to the situations they were both in, so it shouldn't be perceived advantage for manu. [pic]

inb4juniorg but I couldn't make it before elvis [pic]

you say hes better than manu but at what 3 point shooting yea but what else is he better then him at

im talkin all around an we just gonna ignore that 2004 MVP in the olympics with arg.
an dont forget that the BRONZE TEAM had duncan i believe

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