Debunking The "Kobe Bryant Always Needs Help" Theory

By lo life dun - 07-19-2012, 10:55 AM - Boxden > BX SportsCenter

here are the lakers rosters from all 5 championships

1999-00

Point Guard - Ron Harper
Shooting Guard - Kobe Bryant
Small Forward - Rick Fox
Power Foward - AC Green
Center - Shaquielle O'Neal

Bench

John Salley
Travis Knight
Robert Horry
Glen Rice
Devean George
Derek Fisher
Brian Shaw
Tyronn Lue
Sam Jacobson

67-15, Finished 1st in NBA Pacific Division
Coach: Phil Jackson (67-15)

Playoffs:
Won NBA Finals (4-2) versus Indiana Pacers
Won NBA Western Conference Finals (4-3) versus Portland Trail Blazers
Won NBA Western Conference Semifinals (4-1) versus Phoenix Suns
Won NBA Western Conference First Round (3-2) versus Sacramento Kings

The only players from this playoff team to average double digit ppg were shaq, kobe and glen rice who averaged 12 ppg. with the exception of big shot horry who averaged 5 ppg

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where was the help..5 of these players were past their prime everyone else was young with little experience on this team.

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now lets visit the 2nd championship team playoff roster

Point Guard - Derek Fisher
Shooting Guard - Kobe Bryant
Small Foward - Rick Fox
Power Foward - Horace Grant
Center - Shaquielle O'Neal

Bench

Robert Horry
Brian Shaw
Tyronn Lue
Deavan George
Mark Madsen
Greg Foster
Ron Harper

56-26, Finished 1st in NBA Pacific Division
Coach: Phil Jackson (56-26)

Playoffs:
Won NBA Finals (4-1) versus Philadelphia 76ers
Won NBA Western Conference Finals (4-0) versus San Antonio Spurs
Won NBA Western Conference Semifinals (4-0) versus Sacramento Kings
Won NBA Western Conference First Round (3-0) versus Portland Trail Blazers

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very easy finals series and playoff run our starting five handled this playoff run
isiah rider didn't even play in this playoffs and they still man handled very good teams with that roster.

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moving on to the 3rd championship ring

58-24, Finished 2nd in NBA Pacific Division
Coach: Phil Jackson (58-24)

Playoffs:
Won NBA Finals (4-0) versus New Jersey Nets
Won NBA Western Conference Finals (4-3) versus Sacramento Kings
Won NBA Western Conference Semifinals (4-1) versus San Antonio Spurs
Won NBA Western Conference First Round (3-0) versus Portland Trail Blazers

Point Guard - Derek Fisher
Shooting Guard - Kobe Bryant
Small Foward - Rick Fox
Power Foward - Samaki Walker ----> > Debunking The "Kobe Bryant Always Needs Help" Theory - Photo posted in BX SportsCenter | Sign in and leave a comment below!

Center - Shaquielle O'Neal

Bench

Robert Horry
Brian Shaw
Lindsey Hunter
Mitch Richmond
Mark Madsen
Stanislav Medvedenko

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same team just added lindsey and mitch who only averages 3 ppg combined

07-19-2012, 10:55 AM

[pic] lets go on to the kobe aint !! without shaq era. ring 4

Point Guard - Derek Fisher
Shooting Guard - Kobe Bryant
Small Forward - Trevor Ariza
Power Forward - Pau Gasol
Center - Andrew Bynum

Bench

Shannon Brown
Lamar Odom
Sasha Vuajic
Josh Powell
Jordan Farmar
Luke Walton
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga

65-17, Finished 1st in NBA Pacific Division
Coach: Phil Jackson (65-17)

Playoffs:
Won NBA Finals (4-1) versus Orlando Magic
Won NBA Western Conference Finals (4-2) versus Denver Nuggets
Won NBA Western Conference Semifinals (4-3) versus Houston Rockets
Won NBA Western Conference First Round (4-1) versus Utah Jazz

pretty much every team was inferior except houston who put up a good fight
and if yao ming stayed healthy they would have won in 7 due to shanes defense and yao ming just being alive and in a rockets jersey. i see no kind of help and anderew was 60% at most.

[pic] lets move along to the drive for 5

Point Guard - Derek Fisher
Shooting Guard - Kobe Bryant
Small Forward - Ron Artest
Power Foward - Pau Gasol
Center - Andrew Bynum

Bench

Jordan Farmar
Shannon Brown
Josh Powell
Adam Morrison
Sasha Vujajic
Lamar Odom
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga

57-25, Finished 1st in NBA Pacific Division
Coach: Phil Jackson (57-25)

Won NBA Finals (4-3) versus Boston Celtics
Won NBA Western Conference Finals (4-2) versus Phoenix Suns
Won NBA Western Conference Semifinals (4-0) versus Utah Jazz
Won NBA Western Conference First Round (4-2) versus Oklahoma City Thunder

[pic] shouts to boston and houston for being the only teams that could hang. the rest of those teams were inferior and didn't have a coach with a plan and players on a mission.

[pic] first page

07-19-2012, 11:07 AM

Nice try but

Do you really think he would of got a ring with the HORNETS?

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07-19-2012, 11:08 AM

lmao @ the Rockets beating the Lakers.

The only reason it even went to 7 was because Yao went out and the lineups they threw out there were way too speedy for the Lakers to keep up with.

Brooks exposed Fisher and guys like Landry/Hayes (aka. undersized guys who are much quicker) always give Gasol problems.

07-19-2012, 11:11 AM

this whole carried need help thing is so stupid no one wins alone i could say someone was carried by anyone if u reall think about it. but its not been carried cause its a TEAM GAME just cause your the star doesnt mean u cant get help . LBJ was putting up same numbers he did with the cavs Yet he just won a ring now wonder why. because he has 2 prime players that are h.o.f bound helping him. no crime in that just shows u nothing about his game has change still same numbers only change is the ppl around him

07-19-2012, 11:13 AM

Isn't TS (CashNY) the kid thats a L.A Lakers stan and not even their fans respect his monkey[..]

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07-19-2012, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by GUNIT-FINEST

this whole carried need help thing is so stupid no one wins alone i could say someone was carried by anyone if u reall think about it. but its not been carried cause its a TEAM GAME just cause your the star doesnt mean u cant get help . LBJ was putting up same numbers he did with the cavs Yet he just won a ring now wonder why. because he has 2 prime players that are h.o.f bound helping him. no crime in that just shows u nothing about his game has change still same numbers only change is the ppl around him

BOSH HOF?
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oh and the whole HELP !! is because their has never been a year where he was BY

HIMSELF much like Bron was with the Cavs and he drove his team to the Finals.

Kobe had lets see SHAQ/MALONE/GASOL/ARTEST/

HELP

07-19-2012, 11:19 AM

The thing is, everybody needs some help, you have to have a good "team" to win a championship, I don't know one player who won a ring on a mediocre team.

07-19-2012, 11:20 AM

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[pic] you never have any valid points your like a child when it comes to discussing anything about anything not involving lebron. go play with dedos and seagay

07-19-2012, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Dun Language

pretty much every team was inferior except houston who put up a good fight
and if yao ming stayed healthy they would have won in 7 due to shanes defense and yao ming just being alive and in a rockets jersey. i see no kind of help and anderew was 60% at most.

2009 was supposed to be our year. [pic] It was bad enough T-Mac !!ed out on us that year but to have Deke go down in the first round and then Yao in the second??? Just aint fair man...[pic]

07-19-2012, 11:23 AM

its a team sport of course. but they say kobe needs all of these superstars to win

[pic] show me these superstars all of these dudes were just insurance policies
kobe and shaq took over these playoffs and nba finals with a nice supporting cast

its not like [pic] kobe planned to[..]emble a big 3 like lebron bosh and wade and still going to see other teams and hold meetings knowing they were going to click up the whole time.

07-19-2012, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by The N

BOSH HOF?
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oh and the whole HELP !! is because their has never been a year where he was BY

HIMSELF much like Bron was with the Cavs and he drove his team to the Finals.

Kobe had lets see SHAQ/MALONE/GASOL/ARTEST/

HELP

what did malone gasol and artest win before kobe ???????[pic][pic] he helped them more then they help him lol its a team sport u lame

07-19-2012, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by A.G

lmao @ the Rockets beating the Lakers.

The only reason it even went to 7 was because Yao went out and the lineups they threw out there were way too speedy for the Lakers to keep up with.

Brooks exposed Fisher and guys like Landry/Hayes (aka. undersized guys who are much quicker) always give Gasol problems.

and shane was on kobe like a white girl.

if yao was healthy the lakers would have lost that series in 7. keep it real

07-19-2012, 11:26 AM

The Only Help Kobe had was Phil Jackson and his the Triangle offense

Without Phil, Kobe aint winning Nothing[pic][pic]

07-19-2012, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by A.G

lmao @ the Rockets beating the Lakers.

The only reason it even went to 7 was because Yao went out and the lineups they threw out there were way too speedy for the Lakers to keep up with.

Brooks exposed Fisher and guys like Landry/Hayes (aka. undersized guys who are much quicker) always give Gasol problems.

[pic]If I remember correctly, Rockets took game one and in game 2 Rockets were up ahead before Yao broke his foot and it all fell apart. Rick Adelman was outcoaching Phil Jackson while Derek Fisher was getting his !! toasted by Aaron Brooks.[pic]

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Say Cheese! [pic]

07-19-2012, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by The N

BOSH HOF?
[pic]

oh and the whole HELP !! is because their has never been a year where he was BY

HIMSELF much like Bron was with the Cavs and he drove his team to the Finals.

Kobe had lets see SHAQ/MALONE/GASOL/ARTEST/

HELP

that roster with malone and payton was the most stacked team i ever seen that whole season was a joke way too much talent and egos on one team i didnt even watch the finals that year i already knew how that !! was going to end.

and umm artest came up to kobe and asked him to get him in he wants to help him win another ring. kobe didnt need artest we already had ariza

07-19-2012, 11:28 AM

LOL titles are won as a team, not as individuals. That is why Bron left Cleveland, he was not going to win a title with an old Shaq and Jamison with Mo Williams as your PG. He went to a better situation and he won, same with Boston, got KG and Ray to help Pierce win a title. This "he needs more help" !! is getting out of hand, every star had good supporting cast to win titles. !! Kobe was on the supporting casts of Shaq's Lakers during the 3 peat, so he has been on both sides of the fence, as a 2nd scorer and as the leading scorer.

07-19-2012, 11:28 AM

[pic] I stopped reading after the first championship

Shaq was the star of the Lakers during the first trilogy... Shaq won a regular season MVP and 3 Finals MVPS and a scoring title during that first three peat... Kobe didn't win one single award during the first three peat... He was not the best player on his team...

Shaq was the leader and Kobe was second in command... MAgic was the unquestioned leader of his stacked Lakers teams out of all their championships he won more awards then any of his other teammates during that run ... Bird was the unquestioned leader of his team during their championship run Brid won the MVP's and the Finals MVP's for his team... Jordan during his run won all the individual awards during his teams championship years... Olajuwon won all the awards during his team's championship runs... Duncan won all the regular season and playoff awards for his team during their championships except for one Finals...

You can go down the list of all the greats... Yes they all had another good player and a good supporting cast to help them win... But nobody on any of their teams outplayed them and won more awards than them during their championship runs... Kobe is the only player during his first three peat that won ZERO awards during his championship runs that you niccas claim was the leader of his team... How does that work? How does your teammate win MVP and 3 finals MVP and a scoring title during your 3 championships... yet you say Kobe is the best player on that team??? Makes absolutely no sense...

07-19-2012, 11:30 AM

Point Guard - Derek Fisher
Shooting Guard - Kobe Bryant
Small Foward - Rick Fox
Power Foward - Samaki Walker
Center - Shaquielle O'Neal

Bench

Robert Horry
Brian Shaw
Lindsey Hunter
Mitch Richmond
Mark Madsen
Stanislav Medvedenko

this team had no depth look at that garbage[..] bench with samaki walker starting [pic]....Lakers got lazy and expected kobe and shaq to win as a 2 man team (which they still did [pic])

That's why they lost in 03. Then desperation set in in 04 and they signed old[..] malone and payton instead of building an actual team

07-19-2012, 11:32 AM

were not talking about awards. were talking about a team game and debunking the theory that kobe was carried as if he was averaging the same numbers before and after shaq. stop being ignorant

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