So, what little guy is Jermain goin after next?

[DCReprezenta]

After hearing his post-fight comments, I'm almost certain he's gonna avoid Pavlik.
what yall think?

[MlLkMan]

Its funny how hes asking for more money when he cant even fill up a house.

Its obvious he doesnt want Pavlik after he said "fighters that bring more money"

[FaceMob]

What bullsh*t. Spinks clearly outclassed his sorry ass. Im tired of these gift decisions they keep giving this bum.

[Hold That]

This is fu*kin stupid, to base your thought that Jermaine "avoids" people.

If anything Jermaine is one of the true fighters who never back down from anyone who calls him out.

He faught Winky and Hopkins back to back. That right there are two top 5 or argueably top 3 fighters in the sport today.

People bi*ch about how he didnt look overwhelmingly impressive against those two.

You have to realise that Winky and B-hop have an excellent defense. Top 3 in the sport in defense, only behind Mayweather. So when your fighting someone with an excellent defense, YOU ARE going to look bad when fighting.

Also if you havent noticed that Taylors not as aggressive as he was BEFORE Emmanuelle Stewart came into his corner. Stewart is turning that nigga into a boxer, and just working off his jab constantly, thus he's not getting as many KO's as he use too.

Before Stewart came along Jermaine was like 29-0 with 25 KO's. So he does have KO power.

As for the Spinks fight, it's hard to knock Spinks out when he is running all day.

How can you blame, Jermaine for wanting to fight someone who brings in a better box office.

THIS IS A BUSINESS.
Like I was telling tons of clowns on this website when Mayweather was saying he not fighting Margarito because it wouldnt be a big PPV hit.

This is Jermaines livelyhood, he's already proven, even though he has alot of questions to answer about his skills. At the same time you can not question his resume' at this point.

Why would you fight someone in Pavi who really isnt all that proven. Why? becuase he beat Miranda? Who the fu*k was Miranda and another over hyped guy with no skill and just alot of punching power. Hell Miranda lost to Abraham so he sucks against any guy with above average talent.

Jermaine Taylor will most likely be looking for a fight against Calzaghe. That will probably be the biggest PPV fight he can do at this point. Especially if it happens over in America which it will, most of the UK will be buying that fight.

Boxers are getting smarter, they are going after other Boxers who have prestige like themselves. They saw that Mayweather/Oscar cake, and the want a slice. Can you blame them?

[booker20]

What bullsh*t. Spinks clearly outclassed his sorry ass. Im tired of these gift decisions they keep giving this bum.

were u watchin the fight?

[DCReprezenta]

This is fu*kin stupid, to base your thought that Jermaine "avoids" people.

If anything Jermaine is one of the true fighters who never back down from anyone who calls him out.

He faught Winky and Hopkins back to back. That right there are two top 5 or argueably top 3 fighters in the sport today.

People bi*ch about how he didnt look overwhelmingly impressive against those two.

You have to realise that Winky and B-hop have an excellent defense. Top 3 in the sport in defense, only behind Mayweather. So when your fighting someone with an excellent defense, YOU ARE going to look bad when fighting.

Also if you havent noticed that Taylors not as aggressive as he was BEFORE Emmanuelle Stewart came into his corner. Stewart is turning that nigga into a boxer, and just working off his jab constantly, thus he's not getting as many KO's as he use too.

Before Stewart came along Jermaine was like 29-0 with 25 KO's. So he does have KO power.

As for the Spinks fight, it's hard to knock Spinks out when he is running all day.

How can you blame, Jermaine for wanting to fight someone who brings in a better box office.

THIS IS A BUSINESS.
Like I was telling tons of clowns on this website when Mayweather was saying he not fighting Margarito because it wouldnt be a big PPV hit.

This is Jermaines livelyhood, he's already proven, even though he has alot of questions to answer about his skills. At the same time you can not question his resume' at this point.

Why would you fight someone in Pavi who really isnt all that proven. Why? becuase he beat Miranda? Who the fu*k was Miranda and another over hyped guy with no skill and just alot of punching power. Hell Miranda lost to Abraham so he sucks against any guy with above average talent.

Jermaine Taylor will most likely be looking for a fight against Calzaghe. That will probably be the biggest PPV fight he can do at this point. Especially if it happens over in America which it will, most of the UK will be buying that fight.

Boxers are getting smarter, they are going after other Boxers who have prestige like themselves. They saw that Mayweather/Oscar cake, and the want a slice. Can you blame them?


wow, u said a lot...but I still have to question your boxing knowledge...first off, when he fought Bernard twice he was the one with the most to gain so lets disregard those 2 fights...As for Winky and Ouma, both of them posed no offensive threat to Taylor and they were also smaller men...Light hitting smaller guys, although defensively solid Winky will not knock u out (even though i felt Winky won the fight) as for Ouma, Jermain had another guy who didnt pose an immediate threat....Pavlik on the other hand is a natural middleweight with power, an immediate threat to Jermain....Bernard gave Taylor his chance, Taylor should do the same with Pavlik.......Also for u to say Manny has stunted Jermain's aggression/power, and u bring up his pre-Manny record...look at his opponents pre-Manny, the guy was knocking out Class C fighters (Edouard, Cervera, etc.)....Jermain says he wants to fight who brings the most money, but he himself cant even bring in money on a HBO Boxing after Dark event...that's asking a bit much, especially from a guy who hits 154 pounders clean with no affect................Pavlik is as proven right now as Jermain Taylor was when he got his title shot, Jermain's biggest win before his title shot was against an over the hill William Joppy...Pavlik's biggest win so far is against a young aggressive power punching (although 1 dimensional) Edison Miranda.

[DCReprezenta]

I'll straight up say it....Jermain Taylor is a FRAUD.....how can u first become world champion, then straight out say u deserve an "easy fight"....later say u will fight anybody (while still the world champ!) then go back on that statement and say u will only fight who brings in the most money.......The guy is a fraud, put him in the ring with Pavlik and i'm willin to bet we'll see Taylor's skirt get pulled up......when Bernard decided to get aggressive against Taylor, Taylor would fringe up.....Pavlik, although nowhere near as technical as Bernard, has a harder punch..more aggressive..bigger..and will give & take......Winky & Ouma (154's respectively) both put pressure on Taylor and the only thing that prevented them from knocking Taylor out was the absence of KO Power....Let's see Pavlik put those same shots on him.

[LJay]

yea, JT is a fraud...they let him steal Bernard's title, then they gave him a gift against Wink...and ever since then we've been waiting for a glimpse of brilliance...a reason to believe he's the best middleweight in the world

So they threw him in with Ouma, and he was lackluster...then they gave him Spinks and he looked terrible...now i know Spinks can make you look bad with his style, but as the bigger man...as the natural middleweight...he should have imposed his will on Spinks if he's so good

JT should fight Pavlik because the world saw him dismantle his opponent in a "The Right To Fight" bout where the winner gets Taylor (supposedly)

I wouldn't be mad if he fought Calzaghe tho, but they should fight overseas...Joe could sell out any arena over there...there would be less than 100ppl in the audience if they fought here

[Suavebeatz]

yea, JT is a fraud...they let him steal Bernard's title, then they gave him a gift against Wink...and ever since then we've been waiting for a glimpse of brilliance...a reason to believe he's the best middleweight in the world

So they threw him in with Ouma, and he was lackluster...then they gave him Spinks and he looked terrible...now i know Spinks can make you look bad with his style, but as the bigger man...as the natural middleweight...he should have imposed his will on Spinks if he's so good

JT should fight Pavlik because the world saw him dismantle his opponent in a "The Right To Fight" bout where the winner gets Taylor (supposedly)

I wouldn't be mad if he fought Calzaghe tho, but they should fight overseas...Joe could sell out any arena over there...there would be less than 100ppl in the audience if they fought hereu made alot of valid points i for 1 dont think that he beat Winky and for the most part he has been a little lackluster but....hes not a fraud and i think he could take Pavlik not Calzaghe

[1MikE]

lol @ u making this thread cuz u heard the commentators talking about little guys


taylor will destroy that white boy...

:banghead: have u not seen Taylor's last 2 opponents? little guys...

and to answer the question, he'll beat fight Joe Calzaghe, the British super middleweight champ, cause dats where the money's at....

and he will get spanked

[DCReprezenta]

lol @ u making this thread cuz u heard the commentators talking about little guys


taylor will destroy that white boy...

ummmm.....have u been watching Taylor fight in the last few years?....he hasnt fought a true middleweight since Bernard Hopkins.

:smh: @ your phailed insult.

[FaceMob]

were u watchin the fight?

Were u watching the fight? Anyone with half a brain know you dont only score landed punches. While Taylor outlanded Spinks by a "whopping" 16 punches, Spinks controlled the fight, he countered well and pressed the action. He won clearly. JT is now 1-4 in his last 5 fights.

[Hold That]

wow, u said a lot...but I still have to question your boxing knowledge...first off, when he fought Bernard twice he was the one with the most to gain so lets disregard those 2 fights..

Even if Jermaine had the most to gain he still went after the top dog in his weight class and beat him twice. So your point?

As for Winky and Ouma, both of them posed no offensive threat to Taylor and they were also smaller men...Light hitting smaller guys, although defensively solid Winky will not knock u out (even though i felt Winky won the fight) as for Ouma, Jermain had another guy who didnt pose an immediate threat....

So your going to disregard Winky Wright because he is only 2 inch shorter(even though winky's reach is longer which is what matters more than height) than Jermain and doesnt posses great knock out power? But will ignore the fact that Winky is a top 3 Pound for Pound guy in boxing and a top 5 best boxer in the world? We are just going to disregard that because he does not have great knock out power right? never mind that he's actually a good fu*kin boxer, probably the best jab in boxing, top 2 defense, that dont matter because he can't knock niggas out right?:rolleyes:

And you say Ouma, WHO ELSE WAS AROUND FOR JERMAIN TO FIGHT? Name me a person he could have faught at the time instead of Ouma? Name me how many fighters today, fight 3 Top 5 Boxers back to back. Hell Jermain fought two top 5 boxers in the sport back to back and your pissed because he took a step down to probably refine his skills with Emmanuelle? God damn let the nigga take a break.

Pavlik on the other hand is a natural middleweight with power, an immediate threat to Jermain....Bernard gave Taylor his chance, Taylor should do the same with Pavlik.......Also for u to say Manny has stunted Jermain's aggression/power, and u bring up his pre-Manny record...look at his opponents pre-Manny, the guy was knocking out Class C fighters (Edouard, Cervera, etc.)....

Yes, lets all hop on the Pavlik bandwagon because you was on it before right?
Now because he knocked out that overrated nigga Miranda who didnt have any defense and zero chin you think he will do the same to Jermaine Taylor? Now Pavlik deserves a title shot? Who the fu*k has he beat?

As for you saying Jermain has only beaten class C fighters, I guess William Joppy & Raul Marquez all former belt holders in that division are not even worthy of mentioning.. And you question MY boxing knowledge? please...


Jermain says he wants to fight who brings the most money, but he himself cant even bring in money on a HBO Boxing after Dark event...that's asking a bit much, especially from a guy who hits 154 pounders clean with no affect.........

Floyd Mayweather Jr. was not a PPV seller, everyone knows that if you know boxing. He's the best boxer but he was not huge on the PPV numbers. He needed a guy like Oscar to make a mega fight to get money. Hell he wasnt even the headliner on the Gatti fight, Arturo got the left side of the promotion picture. The Judah fight was average at best in terms of PPV numbers.

As for Jermain, I can understand he wants another big fight, and Calzaghe is the right man. Calzaghe is trying to make a name for himself in America while Jermaine is trying to prove to America that he is the real deal. Either way this would be a good fight for boxing and both parties.


Pavlik is as proven right now as Jermain Taylor was when he got his title shot, Jermain's biggest win before his title shot was against an over the hill William Joppy...Pavlik's biggest win so far is against a young aggressive power punching (although 1 dimensional) Edison Miranda.

Other than Edison Miranda who has he beaten? I already named 2 people Jermaine beat before getting a shot with Hopkins.

Now dont get me wrong Pavliks record is impressive but I dont think he is good enough to stop a potential fight against Calzaghe which will probably be in the works real soon.

Let Pavlik build a name for himself a little more become more of a familiar name, beat Winky Wright in convincing fashion, something Taylor couldnt do, or atleast SOMEBODY worth mentioning.

[StateProperty88]

i actually think he is going to fight Pavlik

[FaceMob]

This is fu*kin stupid, to base your thought that Jermaine "avoids" people.

If anything Jermaine is one of the true fighters who never back down from anyone who calls him out.

He faught Winky and Hopkins back to back. That right there are two top 5 or argueably top 3 fighters in the sport today.

People bi*ch about how he didnt look overwhelmingly impressive against those two.

You have to realise that Winky and B-hop have an excellent defense. Top 3 in the sport in defense, only behind Mayweather. So when your fighting someone with an excellent defense, YOU ARE going to look bad when fighting.

Also if you havent noticed that Taylors not as aggressive as he was BEFORE Emmanuelle Stewart came into his corner. Stewart is turning that nigga into a boxer, and just working off his jab constantly, thus he's not getting as many KO's as he use too.

Before Stewart came along Jermaine was like 29-0 with 25 KO's. So he does have KO power.

As for the Spinks fight, it's hard to knock Spinks out when he is running all day.

How can you blame, Jermaine for wanting to fight someone who brings in a better box office.

THIS IS A BUSINESS.
Like I was telling tons of clowns on this website when Mayweather was saying he not fighting Margarito because it wouldnt be a big PPV hit.

This is Jermaines livelyhood, he's already proven, even though he has alot of questions to answer about his skills. At the same time you can not question his resume' at this point.

Why would you fight someone in Pavi who really isnt all that proven. Why? becuase he beat Miranda? Who the fu*k was Miranda and another over hyped guy with no skill and just alot of punching power. Hell Miranda lost to Abraham so he sucks against any guy with above average talent.

Jermaine Taylor will most likely be looking for a fight against Calzaghe. That will probably be the biggest PPV fight he can do at this point. Especially if it happens over in America which it will, most of the UK will be buying that fight.

Boxers are getting smarter, they are going after other Boxers who have prestige like themselves. They saw that Mayweather/Oscar cake, and the want a slice. Can you blame them?

You said a whole bunch of nothing. JT has a decent resume but understand the only reason he fought Hop's twice is because there was a rematch clause, Im sure he would have skipped out if it wasnt. he fought Winky because he was a mandatory.

Now after he is no longer obligated to fight these elite fighters he goes after 2 Light MW fighters looking like a bum against them as well, then after the fight this bum goes from "Ill fight anybody" at the press conference to "Ill fight whoever brings the most money".

Jermaine Taylor is not proven, he is a fraudulent champ being forced on us by HBO. You cant fool the general public. Everyone knows he is as good as he is gonna get. Emanual Stuart was avid in the corner telling him to do something but JT set back because he was scared of that counter left. Stuart should give up on this bum.

[booker20]

Were u watching the fight? Anyone with half a brain know you dont only score landed punches. While Taylor outlanded Spinks by a "whopping" 16 punches, Spinks controlled the fight, he countered well and pressed the action. He won clearly. JT is now 1-4 in his last 5 fights.

I was drunk when i was watchin and i saw spinks attempt to hit and run, while landing a horrible percentage....

[bassy]

Wasn't Spinks a replacement because Mora backed out?

[DCReprezenta]

Even if Jermaine had the most to gain he still went after the top dog in his weight class and beat him twice. So your point?
First of all, that top dog in the weight class was the champion who gave him the shot. So in all actuality it was Bernard who went after the young gun in the weight class....I feel Bernard was snubbed on both decisions but that's besides the point.
So your going to disregard Winky Wright because he is only 2 inch shorter(even though winky's reach is longer which is what matters more than height) than Jermain and doesnt posses great knock out power? But will ignore the fact that Winky is a top 3 Pound for Pound guy in boxing and a top 5 best boxer in the world? We are just going to disregard that because he does not have great knock out power right? never mind that he's actually a good fu*kin boxer, probably the best jab in boxing, top 2 defense, that dont matter because he can't knock niggas out right?:rolleyes:
Please comment on my statement(s) accordingly...If u watched that fight u would have noticed that Winky did not try to box him in the center of the ring, it was not a chess match for Winky...so this great defense and great jab that u bring up only applies when Winky is trying to outbox an opponent...Winky went after the bigger Jermain Taylor, he backed him up with aggression and a higher work rate...the bigger man is supposed to not allow themselves to be backed into corners constantly...When did i disregard Winky?, hell im saying Jermain aint livin up to the hype cuz he couldnt beat a 154 champ.....Example: Tito Trinidad (as great as he was coming up) was dominated by the bigger Bernard Hopkins, Mark Johnson (as great as he was at 112-115) was pretty much beat down by the bigger Marquez, even Quartey (as great as he was at 147) was outmuscled by the bigger Vargas....be diffrent if Winky outboxed Jermain with movement the way Floyd did with bigger opponents, but he backed up the MIDDLEWEIGHT champ as if he was the bigger guy.
And you say Ouma, WHO ELSE WAS AROUND FOR JERMAIN TO FIGHT? Name me a person he could have faught at the time instead of Ouma? Name me how many fighters today, fight 3 Top 5 Boxers back to back. Hell Jermain fought two top 5 boxers in the sport back to back and your pissed because he took a step down to probably refine his skills with Emmanuelle? God damn let the nigga take a break.
When there is no big name around, u unify....ask Roy Jones......picking Wright wasn't a bad move as far as competition goes, but one would expect the middleweight champ to not be the one being bulled around....Ouma also did that same thing...I am moreso questioning the way he's fought the smaller opposition than who he fought.....What the hell is a break?, if he wants a break then give up the fukkin title....I cant stand that "he deserves an easy fight" shyt...When u become champ, there aren't any such things....U got all your "easy" shyt when u were comin up.....When u become champ, u fight the best in the world, bottom line.
Yes, lets all hop on the Pavlik bandwagon because you was on it before right?
Now because he knocked out that overrated nigga Miranda who didnt have any defense and zero chin you think he will do the same to Jermaine Taylor? Now Pavlik deserves a title shot? Who the fu*k has he beat?
I was becoming a Pavlik fan after seeing him thrash the smaller McKart (the way Taylor should have done smaller guys), although i wasnt fully convinced until Saturday...It's funny u say Miranda is overrated now, somethin tells me had he fought lesser opposition and won by KO u would be rallying for Taylor to fight him...Maybe Pavlik was just underrated, ever think dat?....If anything, Miranda's power was more than proven and Pavlik walked right thru it....Who did Taylor beat to deserve a title shot with Bernard 2 years ago?
As for you saying Jermain has only beaten class C fighters, I guess William Joppy & Raul Marquez all former belt holders in that division are not even worthy of mentioning.. And you question MY boxing knowledge? please...
Dude....Joppy was pushed to his limit by Eastman, he was used goods...his best days were far behind him when he faced Jermain.....Marquez was nothing at middleweight, if u did have solid boxing knowledge u'd know Marquez was a former belt holder at 154......smh.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. was not a PPV seller, everyone knows that if you know boxing. He's the best boxer but he was not huge on the PPV numbers. He needed a guy like Oscar to make a mega fight to get money. Hell he wasnt even the headliner on the Gatti fight, Arturo got the left side of the promotion picture. The Judah fight was average at best in terms of PPV numbers.
Floyd was selling out B.A.D. shows though....Jermain had a "homecoming" fight and there were more Spinks supporters than Taylor....what the hell is that?....Spinks is supposed to be a dull fighter in terms of entertainment and he had more of the crowd than Taylor, i wouldnt pay for a Taylor ppv if i won the damn lottery.
As for Jermain, I can understand he wants another big fight, and Calzaghe is the right man. Calzaghe is trying to make a name for himself in America while Jermaine is trying to prove to America that he is the real deal. Either way this would be a good fight for boxing and both parties.
Agreed...but if he can't get it with Calzaghe, there is no reason to avoid Pavlik.
Other than Edison Miranda who has he beaten? I already named 2 people Jermaine beat before getting a shot with Hopkins.
Pavlik's wins over McKart & Miranda at least=Taylor's wins over Marquez & Joppy.
Now dont get me wrong Pavliks record is impressive but I dont think he is good enough to stop a potential fight against Calzaghe which will probably be in the works real soon.
Calzaghe fight>Pavlik fight IMO...however i can picture Jermain ducking Pavlik making an excuse to fight a "set up" for Calzaghe and then somehow falling out of the fight with Joe.
Let Pavlik build a name for himself a little more become more of a familiar name, beat Winky Wright in convincing fashion, something Taylor couldnt do, or atleast SOMEBODY worth mentioning.
So u are saying Pavlik should beat Winky in convincing fashion to get a shot at Jermain?....Hell, Jermain couldnt even beat Winky period (as i saw it) and u think Pavlik should beat him convincingly?....that's hilarious.....Winky is above Jermain according to most, so if Pavlik could get a fight with Winky he'd be doing better than a fight with Jermain.

[thecrownprince]

lol, lemme break it down for you slow somma bi*ches....

1. JT ain't runnin from Pavlik....It's simply this...Boxing is that niggaz job....Now, are any of you niggaz gonna do a job for less when you know u deserve more. Say what u want, but the man is the middleweight world champion...so if I'm gonna put my sh*t on the line, y'all need to come with somebody that's gonna bring in just as much money as me.

2. You talking about smaller fighters...bi*ch, JT is a 6'1" fu*kin MIDDLEWEIGHt...how many of them are you going to find? Not too many, especially none worthy of a shot at a world champion...

Broke muthafu*kas can always find a way to hate on somebody gettin theirs...

But like my niggaz said..FOR THE RIGHT PRICE....U WANNA FIGHT ME? OK!! THAT'S MONEY IN THE BANK FOR ME..

[FaceMob]

lol, lemme break it down for you slow somma bi*ches....

1. JT ain't runnin from Pavlik....It's simply this...Boxing is that niggaz job....Now, are any of you niggaz gonna do a job for less when you know u deserve more. Say what u want, but the man is the middleweight world champion...so if I'm gonna put my sh*t on the line, y'all need to come with somebody that's gonna bring in just as much money as me.

2. You talking about smaller fighters...bi*ch, JT is a 6'1" fu*kin MIDDLEWEIGHt...how many of them are you going to find? Not too many, especially none worthy of a shot at a world champion...

Broke muthafu*kas can always find a way to hate on somebody gettin theirs...

But like my niggaz said..FOR THE RIGHT PRICE....U WANNA FIGHT ME? OK!! THAT'S MONEY IN THE BANK FOR ME..

Man shut the fu*k up. This nigga was barking that he'll fight anyone bullsh*t BEFORE the Mirand Pavlik fight at the press conference. Once he seen how Pavlik presses the fight and has some decent power he started that money talks bullsh*t. You never heard him talk that sh*t before last night.

[DCReprezenta]

2. You talking about smaller fighters...bi*ch, JT is a 6'1" fu*kin MIDDLEWEIGHt...how many of them are you going to find? Not too many, especially none worthy of a shot at a world champion...

Broke muthafu*kas can always find a way to hate on somebody gettin theirs...

But like my niggaz said..FOR THE RIGHT PRICE....U WANNA FIGHT ME? OK!! THAT'S MONEY IN THE BANK FOR ME..


u said it, MIDDLEWEIGHT...prior to fighting Taylor, Winky's opponents were Trinidad and Solimon and i think Solimon is fightin at 154 now....Ouma was also 154 before his first fight at 160 against Jermain, i think Ouma has even dropped back down to 154...Spinks was knocked out by a welterweight 2 years ago........I'm willing to remove Winky from this group becuz he's not in the same class as the others, and I feel he made Taylor look like the smaller man.

I aint hatin on Jermain....I just wanna see this hyped up machine finally prove himself...I thought they handed him Bernard's title in a neatly wrapped gift bag, He has yet to make me feel like he deserved em.

As for the money statement...Boxing is much much bigger than money, All the title fights/defenses Bernard made for 100-200K is what got him to become a proven champion......to put it plain and simple, u show me a fighter that's in boxing primarily for the money and i'll show u a guy who needs to find a new occupation.

[DCReprezenta]

**correction** Solimon is still 160 fightin against 154'ers, prior to his last fight/loss by KO when he moved up drastically to 168.

[Grisly]

im not even reading any replies in this thread based on the stupidity of boxden.

Jermain Taylor's a faggot.
he beat Bernard in a jerked off decision because boxing wanted a new champion.
his career has declined way over the years.
that fight was terrible.
worst fight i ever seen in my life, no joke.
how can you look BAD against Cory Spinks?

he's garbage. he was overhyped. he didn't live up to it, or it didn't last long i should say.

the state of boxing sucks d*ck so bad right now.

im sick of niggas and they're wack fighters.

jermain fans
floyd fans
calzaghe fans

ya'll are fu*kin stupid.

[Grisly]

u said it, MIDDLEWEIGHT...prior to fighting Taylor, Winky's opponents were Trinidad and Solimon and i think Solimon is fightin at 154 now....Ouma was also 154 before his first fight at 160 against Jermain, i think Ouma has even dropped back down to 154...Spinks was knocked out by a welterweight 2 years ago........I'm willing to remove Winky from this group becuz he's not in the same class as the others, and I feel he made Taylor look like the smaller man.

I aint hatin on Jermain....I just wanna see this hyped up machine finally prove himself...I thought they handed him Bernard's title in a neatly wrapped gift bag, He has yet to make me feel like he deserved em.

As for the money statement...Boxing is much much bigger than boxing, All the title fights/defenses Bernard made for 100-200K is what got him to become a proven champion......to put it plain and simple, u show me a fighter that's in boxing primarily for the money and i'll show u a guy who needs to find a new occupation.

this guy speaks some truth.
bernard's the realest champion i ever seen man.
and its just fu*ked up what boxing does to these fighters.

bust his ass for years with lame pays, while Roy Jones was beating no names and gettin PAAAAAID. and bernard was running through some guys.
trinidad in his prime, for one.....not like Winky who beat him after his like 18th retirement....

then when he finally gets on and gets his pay day, he was in his 40s, and now he doesnt look good for the face of boxing.

they say he's unentertaining and all that.

so they jerked him off and gave Taylor the belts.

boxing's a fu*ked up game man.

[NoLedge18720]

who cares...im still pissed that Bhop got robbed twice against that sorry ass excuse for a fighter. Then he goes on to fight Winky in his backyard...and gets just that...a backyard decision. Yea winky didnt knock him out but he was working him with the jab all night long.

[NoLedge18720]

lol, lemme break it down for you slow somma bi*ches....

1. JT ain't runnin from Pavlik....It's simply this...Boxing is that niggaz job....Now, are any of you niggaz gonna do a job for less when you know u deserve more. Say what u want, but the man is the middleweight world champion...so if I'm gonna put my sh*t on the line, y'all need to come with somebody that's gonna bring in just as much money as me.

2. You talking about smaller fighters...bi*ch, JT is a 6'1" fu*kin MIDDLEWEIGHt...how many of them are you going to find? Not too many, especially none worthy of a shot at a world champion...

Broke muthafu*kas can always find a way to hate on somebody gettin theirs...

But like my niggaz said..FOR THE RIGHT PRICE....U WANNA FIGHT ME? OK!! THAT'S MONEY IN THE BANK FOR ME..

Im sure Taylor isnt having a problem with money so y not take a fight that would solidify his title. If taylor is having money problems that sh*t is strickly on him cuz im sure he mad enough money for both bhop fights and the winky fight. If he spent it on dumb sh*t like tyson then thats his damn fault..dont make the fans suffer because u want more money...

This whole sh*t is why boxing is dying...its ebcoming more about the money then it is about the competition. Like in MMA the legit contenders get title shots all the time. In boxing if you dont have a good promoter...you migth never get that title shot....

[BxCastro]

This is fu*kin stupid, to base your thought that Jermaine "avoids" people.

If anything Jermaine is one of the true fighters who never back down from anyone who calls him out.

He faught Winky and Hopkins back to back. That right there are two top 5 or argueably top 3 fighters in the sport today.

People bi*ch about how he didnt look overwhelmingly impressive against those two.

You have to realise that Winky and B-hop have an excellent defense. Top 3 in the sport in defense, only behind Mayweather. So when your fighting someone with an excellent defense, YOU ARE going to look bad when fighting.

Also if you havent noticed that Taylors not as aggressive as he was BEFORE Emmanuelle Stewart came into his corner. Stewart is turning that nigga into a boxer, and just working off his jab constantly, thus he's not getting as many KO's as he use too.

Before Stewart came along Jermaine was like 29-0 with 25 KO's. So he does have KO power.

As for the Spinks fight, it's hard to knock Spinks out when he is running all day.

How can you blame, Jermaine for wanting to fight someone who brings in a better box office.

THIS IS A BUSINESS.
Like I was telling tons of clowns on this website when Mayweather was saying he not fighting Margarito because it wouldnt be a big PPV hit.

This is Jermaines livelyhood, he's already proven, even though he has alot of questions to answer about his skills. At the same time you can not question his resume' at this point.

Why would you fight someone in Pavi who really isnt all that proven. Why? becuase he beat Miranda? Who the fu*k was Miranda and another over hyped guy with no skill and just alot of punching power. Hell Miranda lost to Abraham so he sucks against any guy with above average talent.

Jermaine Taylor will most likely be looking for a fight against Calzaghe. That will probably be the biggest PPV fight he can do at this point. Especially if it happens over in America which it will, most of the UK will be buying that fight.

Boxers are getting smarter, they are going after other Boxers who have prestige like themselves. They saw that Mayweather/Oscar cake, and the want a slice. Can you blame them?

People don't understand:applause: :applause: :applause: if you look at the fight spinks was out to get paid he ran the whole night:smh:

[FaceMob]

People don't understand:applause: :applause: :applause: if you look at the fight spinks was out to get paid he ran the whole night:smh:

Yall niggas dont know sh*t. If you watch earlier on in the fight, say the 1st 7 rounds he didnt run. Once he had the fight in the bag he stick and moved. He won that fight easily. Any nigga who knows a little bit about boxing should know Spinks wasnt gonna be standing toe to toe sluggin with the natural middle weight. niggas need to go back to boxing 101, when that punk ass nigga Mayweather is running the whole fight from bell to bell niggas be on d*cks.

[cowlersleycowle]

im sick of niggas and they're wack fighters.

jermain fans
floyd fans
calzaghe fans


Man you know nothing about calzaghe AT ALL. He is the most underatted fighter on the planet. He is they longest serving World Champion and fights favouring his weaker hand as his left is a bit dodgy.

Taylor is just like the rest of american fighters who just DONT want it with Calzaghe. Evreyone just prices themselves out as is Jermaine Taylor now. I give Lacy credit but he underestimated Calzaghe. And all boxden peeps backed Lacy. 1 dimesional fighter. He had a good right THAT WAS IT. I know you wil all say how sh*t lacy is NOW.

Bottom Line Taylor will NOT fight Calzaghe just like the rest of america. He will end careers. You can say i overate him but i have seen hime fight from day 1 in the pros and believe me he IS special.

[legendisdope]

Jermain is scared of Pavlik.. lmao @ the end of the match when they asked if he would fight Pavlik, den he said he will fight whoever gives the most money to get out of fighting Pavlik..smhh

[Grisly]

Man you know nothing about calzaghe AT ALL. He is the most underatted fighter on the planet. He is they longest serving World Champion and fights favouring his weaker hand as his left is a bit dodgy.

Taylor is just like the rest of american fighters who just DONT want it with Calzaghe. Evreyone just prices themselves out as is Jermaine Taylor now. I give Lacy credit but he underestimated Calzaghe. And all boxden peeps backed Lacy. 1 dimesional fighter. He had a good right THAT WAS IT. I know you wil all say how sh*t lacy is NOW.

Bottom Line Taylor will NOT fight Calzaghe just like the rest of america. He will end careers. You can say i overate him but i have seen hime fight from day 1 in the pros and believe me he IS special.

man, whatever you say.
i seen Joe's last fight.
he's far from underated.
the complete opposite actually.
he's lame. the only reason he receives acclaim
is because he is a hometown fighter, who never fought outside the UK, and fights in a class that doesn't exist in american boxing.

Super Middleweight? wtf.

Taylor, he may beat.....im in no way a taylor fan
but i'll tell you right now, if that kid Joe comes to US, he wouldn't stand a chance against Bernard.
and maybe Winky would give him a run as far as boxing goes.

cus Calzaghe damn sure don't got punching power.
and his hand speed is garbage.
he fights lame ass fighters. and barely looks impressive against them
and he gets favored treatment.
like when he fought Peter Manfredo and they stopped it in the 3rd, for no reason. cus half the shots weren't even landing clean, nor were powerful.

the only true champion existing in the boxing game right now, or deserves their pound for pound spot is Bernard Hopkins, who's only losses ever were the two taylor fights, which we know he got robbed....and Roy Jones Jr, who obviously knew Hopkins was nice, which is why that rematch never went down. never been on the canvas once in his life. fought any competetion in his way, and did it insanely impressively.

he's got the top defense in the game, he's an amazing counterpunches
his strategy is impeccable. he just picks his opponents weakness apart thrugh the fight, then crumbles them at the end.

that's what boxing is about. period.
not being a paper champion like half of boxing...
Roy Jones Jr, Jermain Taylor, Floyd Mayweather Jr.....dudes who fight handpicked opponents and fear the real competition.
cus Bernard woulda beat Roy.
Bernard shoulda came out on top of Taylor
and Floyd retiring without facing hardly any good boxers.....
Miguel Cotto included.
yet all 3 claim they're the best boxers ever?

and they're usual excuse is "the money isn't right."

i can't see it man.
i'd be ashamed as a man to be a fan of any of these lame boxers.

but maybe that's just me, and how i was raised.
im a mufu*kin warrior through and through, and i let my sports interests support that.

fighters that are underrated and underpaid, and destroy their competition.
overcome all types of odds to do it. basically niggas who are unstoppable. have no fear. do whatever it takes. get off the canvas at all costs.
niggas thats nuthin but heart and wont stop fighting til the sh*t is over.
no backwards button. just keep on pushin n sh*t

people like Hagler, Holyfield, Hopkins......

thats why McNabb is my favorite quarterback, westbrook my running back, and the eagles my favorite team.

thats why allen iverson is my favorite player.

and yes, it does happen to be a coincidence that they're all mostly philadelphia related.....but that just falls under the fact that Philadelphia is one of the most underrated city's.

the fighters, sports stars in general that we've produced.
Sonny Liston, Meldrick Taylor, Joe Frazier, Bernard Hopkins.
all underrated, and all ended up getting fu*ked in some way or another.

its just crazy how the sh*t always plays against us, but i respect and fu*k wit these niggas, cus they keep on pushin regardless, and still earn they respect among others.

i got a little off topic, but i was just trying to prove my point that jermain is lame. and the boxing game is in such a fu*ked up state right now.

[thecrownprince]

People don't understand:applause: :applause: :applause: if you look at the fight spinks was out to get paid he ran the whole night:smh:

^^^Real Talk, what do these stupid bi*ches think boxing is about?


Someone please tell some of these retarded ass people on here what life is about, since they can't see no further than they computer screens.

As far as JT having enough money, bi*ch WHAT IS ENUFF?? We can tell there are you "yes, sir" bi*ches on this site kuz they think everyone should just take what they get. Sorry, but everybody ain't tryna be someone else's ass wiper all their life.
Once again, boxing is JT's livelihood. I tell you what, why don't u go tell ya boss down at the burger shack that u don't mind cleaning the sh*tters for $2.50/hr.

[DCReprezenta]

^^^Real Talk, what do these stupid bi*ches think boxing is about?


Someone please tell some of these retarded ass people on here what life is about, since they can't see no further than they computer screens.

As far as JT having enough money, bi*ch WHAT IS ENUFF?? We can tell there are you "yes, sir" bi*ches on this site kuz they think everyone should just take what they get. Sorry, but everybody ain't tryna be someone else's ass wiper all their life.
Once again, boxing is JT's livelihood. I tell you what, why don't u go tell ya boss down at the burger shack that u don't mind cleaning the sh*tters for $2.50/hr.


U are making less and less sense as your post goes on...Jermain has yet to become a draw, how can he demand big draw money?.....That's like moving down south (where wages are lower) and asking for N.Y./D.C. salary, IT AINT GON' HAPPEN!

[Grisly]

^^^ rofl.
you said it all.

[stogz]

I'm not quite ready to say Taylor is a "fraud" yet. I think that there is alot of things to be considered when rating him.


He's not fast of fist or foot. Therefore, he will look bad against any1 with speed.
Manny is overated... I mean, just because a guy is big, doesn't mean a jab will automatically make him successful


also, Hop, Wink, and Spinks... it's hard to look good against those guys. (I didn't see the Ouma fight). It's been soo long since Taylor won a fight convincingly that I think his handlers are scared to put him in with live competition now. They went from campaigning to fight B-Hop, to running from the division of middleweight.


I blame Manny for everything...

[cowlersleycowle]

cus Calzaghe damn sure don't got punching power.
and his hand speed is garbage.
he fights lame ass fighters. and barely looks impressive against them
and he gets favored treatment.

LMAO the fact you can be so ignorant amazes me.
Hand speed lame?? You have definatley NEVER seen calzaghe fight. Do a bit more research on him. You might understand more.

[Grisly]

i've seen quite a couple of his fights.
the only reason he's considered to have fast hands, is because he fights flukes.
the fact that YOU can be so ignorant amazes ME!
the guy has never stepped foot in a boxing ring on american soil, automatically discarding him as anything remotely considered "great"

Meldrick Taylor was someone with hand speed.
Winky wright even has pretty fast hands.
and now that floyd's moving up in weight, he's got crazy fast hands.

and don't get me started on punching power.
cus against a real fighter, like Bernard and the likes....a fighter with a REAL chin....not some lame ass bum like Calzaghe fights....that dude would be helpless.......

Calzaghe's a fu*king joke.
only name you guys try to bring up is Jeff Lacy, who is another washed up lame, and a 1 dimensional fighter.....
i don't think he could barely beat taylor, let alone winky, and definitely not bernard.

stop trying to school me son.
tell your man calzaghe to leave his hometown, and stop getting favored decisions against lame fighters........it's retarded how this guy is even considered good, fighting in some weight class that's non existent in the US, where a majority of the great fighters are.

and tell him stop running from Mikkel Kessler, too.
he's a faggot. he needs his lights punched out.

[DCReprezenta]

^^^let's be serious here....how many human beings have ever had the handspeed of Meldrick? Meldrick's handspeed were beyond the standard of "fast", they were more like blazing.......Calzaghe has good handspeed tho.

[FaceMob]

i've seen quite a couple of his fights.
the only reason he's considered to have fast hands, is because he fights flukes.
the fact that YOU can be so ignorant amazes ME!
the guy has never stepped foot in a boxing ring on american soil, automatically discarding him as anything remotely considered "great"

Meldrick Taylor was someone with hand speed.
Winky wright even has pretty fast hands.
and now that floyd's moving up in weight, he's got crazy fast hands.

and don't get me started on punching power.
cus against a real fighter, like Bernard and the likes....a fighter with a REAL chin....not some lame ass bum like Calzaghe fights....that dude would be helpless.......

Calzaghe's a fu*king joke.
only name you guys try to bring up is Jeff Lacy, who is another washed up lame, and a 1 dimensional fighter.....
i don't think he could barely beat taylor, let alone winky, and definitely not bernard.

stop trying to school me son.
tell your man calzaghe to leave his hometown, and stop getting favored decisions against lame fighters........it's retarded how this guy is even considered good, fighting in some weight class that's non existent in the US, where a majority of the great fighters are.

and tell him stop running from Mikkel Kessler, too.
he's a faggot. he needs his lights punched out.

Damn man, some harsh words for that man. I wont go so far as to say Calzaghe is a bum but in reality his signature win was over a tailor made opponent. A good boxer usually beats a good slugger the majority of the time, histrory has shown that. I do think Calzaghe has skill but he does need to step into the U.S and prove himself against top tier competition.

My dream fight for Joe would be against Kessler. That muthafu*ka is relentless. I think he would eat Calzaghes food. That would be a good money fight because both of the sell out in their countrys. That fight makes plenty of sense from a competitive standpoint and a financial standpoint.

[cowlersleycowle]

tell your man calzaghe to leave his hometown, and stop getting favored decisions against lame fighters........it's retarded how this guy is even considered good, fighting in some weight class that's non existent in the US, where a majority of the great fighters are.

ok then we will see what happens. watch this space.

[DCReprezenta]

Damn man, some harsh words for that man. I wont go so far as to say Calzaghe is a bum but in reality his signature win was over a tailor made opponent. A good boxer usually beats a good slugger the majority of the time, histrory has shown that. I do think Calzaghe has skill but he does need to step into the U.S and prove himself against top tier competition.

My dream fight for Joe would be against Kessler. That muthafu*ka is relentless. I think he would eat Calzaghes food. That would be a good money fight because both of the sell out in their countrys. That fight makes plenty of sense from a competitive standpoint and a financial standpoint.

Pryor (slugger)-Arguello (boxer). Chavez (slugger)-Taylor (boxer). Mayorga (slugger)-Forrest (boxer). Tszyu (slugger to some)-Judah (boxer). Pacquaio (slugger)-Barrera, Morales, Marquez (boxers). Barkley (slugger)-Hearns (boxer). Hagler (slugger to some)-Hearns (boxer). Castillo (slugger)-Johnston (boxer).........Calzaghe's skill beat Lacy, it wasn't becuz of a statistical edge in the style contrast. I gave examples of when the slugger prevailed to prove that becuz Lacy was a slugger doesn't mean Calzaghe's win is any less credible..............I think Kessler would be the best match for Calzaghe at this point, Kessler is a strong sharp shooter with power in both hands and I think he could match Joe's handspeed....would be an interesting chessmatch.

[Hold That]

U are making less and less sense as your post goes on...Jermain has yet to become a draw, how can he demand big draw money?.....That's like moving down south (where wages are lower) and asking for N.Y./D.C. salary, IT AINT GON' HAPPEN!

When your the fu*kin Champ, you can do or say whatever the fu*k you want.

Especially when your backed by HBO. This is a business nigga, get that through your fu*kin skull.

Have you ever conducted any form of business? If so then you should know niggas dont always do or say whats right. They LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES.

People are trying to tell you this is Jermain Taylors JOB his fu*kin WORK. He trying to get a big payday before he loses them belts, can you blame the man? I dont.

If I became Champion, after fighting Bhop and Winky, I'm looking strictly for $$. fu*k trying to give an up and commer a shot for small change.

Jermain has the MOST to lose, if I was Jermain I would look strictly at Calzaghe, thats the most money fight AND he has the most to gain.

Hell if he beat Pavlik, niggas LIKE YOU still would be bi*ching at Jermain, so whats the point in fighting Pavlik right now? Fight Calzaghe while the money is on the table.

[DCReprezenta]

When your the fu*kin Champ, you can do or say whatever the fu*k you want.

Especially when your backed by HBO. This is a business nigga, get that through your fu*kin skull.

Have you ever conducted any form of business? If so then you should know niggas dont always do or say whats right. They LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES.

People are trying to tell you this is Jermain Taylors JOB his fu*kin WORK. He trying to get a big payday before he loses them belts, can you blame the man? I dont.

If I became Champion, after fighting Bhop and Winky, I'm looking strictly for $$. fu*k trying to give an up and commer a shot for small change.

Jermain has the MOST to lose, if I was Jermain I would look strictly at Calzaghe, thats the most money fight AND he has the most to gain.

Hell if he beat Pavlik, niggas LIKE YOU still would be bi*ching at Jermain, so whats the point in fighting Pavlik right now? Fight Calzaghe while the money is on the table.

It's obvious u dont box.

[Grown Man Ish]

LOL the americans r so dumb, they know nothing about calzaghe, if he gets a fight against 1 of these guys you'll see what he can do, and im sure he'll get someone soon...

[DCReprezenta]

I'm once again gonna refer to the true statement, "Show me a boxer that's in it only for the money and I'll show u a guy who needs to find a new profession."

[chillin]

The only way Calzaghe can get a big money fight with Taylor,,is that Taylor fights in Calzaghe hometown... and they offered him 4 million dollars....Taylor is looking for a bigger pay day than that....He could get a bigger payday fighting Trinidad who would be willing to come out of retirement to face the champ......That would be a ppv event....Calzaghe needs to come to the states,,fight worthy opponents,,,show fans that he can compete with the top middleweights in the division......by drawing more fans,,he can create a better market for himself,,,,,and that would create more money for his fights...until then Calzaghe has not yet proven himself ,,,And Taylor wont be gettin in the ring soon with Calzaghe.....

[FaceMob]

Pryor (slugger)-Arguello (boxer). Chavez (slugger)-Taylor (boxer). Mayorga (slugger)-Forrest (boxer). Tszyu (slugger to some)-Judah (boxer). Pacquaio (slugger)-Barrera, Morales, Marquez (boxers). Barkley (slugger)-Hearns (boxer). Hagler (slugger to some)-Hearns (boxer). Castillo (slugger)-Johnston (boxer).........Calzaghe's skill beat Lacy, it wasn't becuz of a statistical edge in the style contrast. I gave examples of when the slugger prevailed to prove that becuz Lacy was a slugger doesn't mean Calzaghe's win is any less credible..............I think Kessler would be the best match for Calzaghe at this point, Kessler is a strong sharp shooter with power in both hands and I think he could match Joe's handspeed....would be an interesting chessmatch.

Take that Chavez Taylor fight off...

Mayweather > Gatti, Lewis > Tyson, Holyfield > Tyson, Spinks > Taylor, Hopkins > Taylor, Wright > Taylor, Wright > Trinidad, Hopkins > Trinidad > DLH > Trinidad, Klithchko > Peter.... Goes both ways but like I said a World Class Boxer wil usually beat a World Class slugger 9/10. A Slugger will always have a punchers chance but when you take into account the pure skill of a boxer with defense and counter punching its usually an easy call.

Take the Pavlik, Miranda fight, most, including myself, picked Miranda but the suttle boxing skills (he isnt a pure boxer by any means) won him that fight along with punching power.

[geemoney]

This is fu*kin stupid, to base your thought that Jermaine "avoids" people.

If anything Jermaine is one of the true fighters who never back down from anyone who calls him out.

He faught Winky and Hopkins back to back. That right there are two top 5 or argueably top 3 fighters in the sport today.

People bi*ch about how he didnt look overwhelmingly impressive against those two.

You have to realise that Winky and B-hop have an excellent defense. Top 3 in the sport in defense, only behind Mayweather. So when your fighting someone with an excellent defense, YOU ARE going to look bad when fighting.

Also if you havent noticed that Taylors not as aggressive as he was BEFORE Emmanuelle Stewart came into his corner. Stewart is turning that nigga into a boxer, and just working off his jab constantly, thus he's not getting as many KO's as he use too.

Before Stewart came along Jermaine was like 29-0 with 25 KO's. So he does have KO power.

As for the Spinks fight, it's hard to knock Spinks out when he is running all day.

How can you blame, Jermaine for wanting to fight someone who brings in a better box office.

THIS IS A BUSINESS.
Like I was telling tons of clowns on this website when Mayweather was saying he not fighting Margarito because it wouldnt be a big PPV hit.

This is Jermaines livelyhood, he's already proven, even though he has alot of questions to answer about his skills. At the same time you can not question his resume' at this point.

Why would you fight someone in Pavi who really isnt all that proven. Why? becuase he beat Miranda? Who the fu*k was Miranda and another over hyped guy with no skill and just alot of punching power. Hell Miranda lost to Abraham so he sucks against any guy with above average talent.

Jermaine Taylor will most likely be looking for a fight against Calzaghe. That will probably be the biggest PPV fight he can do at this point. Especially if it happens over in America which it will, most of the UK will be buying that fight.

Boxers are getting smarter, they are going after other Boxers who have prestige like themselves. They saw that Mayweather/Oscar cake, and the want a slice. Can you blame them?

legitimate statement.

i didnt know there were smart people on the box

[stogz]

LOL the americans r so dumb, they know nothing about calzaghe, if he gets a fight against 1 of these guys you'll see what he can do, and im sure he'll get someone soon...



If Calzaghe was soooo confident, he woulda fought the all-time greats when he had the chance. Now, he's trying to base his legacy on guys like Lacy, Manfredo, and Taylor :smh:

The fact of the matter is, Calzaghe doesn't matter. He wants guys to move up from 160 to 168 AND come over to England.... Calzaghe doesn't have the negotiating power to make those kind of demands.

Furthermore, he has NEVER EVER (to my knowledge), ever stated a willingness to fight guys @ 175. Calzaghe wants guys @ 160 to move up. He wants guys @ 175 to move down. He wants guys from the U.S. to come to England. He's scared of Kessler.... on and on and on with this guy.


Taylor... 2 Hall Of Famer's on his record
RJJ... 2 Hall Of Famers's on his record
Hop... 3 Hall Of Famers's on his record (soon to be 4)

Calzaghe.... Lacy & Manfredo Jr in a 15 year career.... (wait, lemme guess... Shika and Eubank are also his legacy fights :smh: )

CALZAGHE IS bi*ch MADE!!!!

[Springa]

Were u watching the fight? Anyone with half a brain know you dont only score landed punches. While Taylor outlanded Spinks by a "whopping" 16 punches, Spinks controlled the fight, he countered well and pressed the action. He won clearly. JT is now 1-4 in his last 5 fights.

WHAT HE SAID

[FaceMob]

Steve Kim and Doug Fisher broke the sh*t down perfectly as far as Taylor and his bullsh*t decisions.....

They said with HBO defense and ring generalship only exist when its Floyd Mayweather. They also pointed out that, according to HBO, its "Mastery" when its Floyd Mayweather...

"....but ring generalship, when applied to a Jermaine Taylor fight, it doesnt exist. "Ring Generalship to HBO's commentators, when a fighter is executing ring generalship against Jermain Taylor, he's running, he's not being aggressive enough, he's running out the clock."

[cowlersleycowle]

If Calzaghe was soooo confident, he woulda fought the all-time greats when he had the chance. Now, he's trying to base his legacy on guys like Lacy, Manfredo, and Taylor

The fact of the matter is, Calzaghe doesn't matter. He wants guys to move up from 160 to 168 AND come over to England.... Calzaghe doesn't have the negotiating power to make those kind of demands.

Furthermore, he has NEVER EVER (to my knowledge), ever stated a willingness to fight guys @ 175. Calzaghe wants guys @ 160 to move up. He wants guys @ 175 to move down. He wants guys from the U.S. to come to England. He's scared of Kessler.... on and on and on with this guy.


Taylor... 2 Hall Of Famer's on his record
RJJ... 2 Hall Of Famers's on his record
Hop... 3 Hall Of Famers's on his record (soon to be 4)

Calzaghe.... Lacy & Manfredo Jr in a 15 year career.... (wait, lemme guess... Shika and Eubank are also his legacy fights )

CALZAGHE IS bi*ch MADE!!!!

ok then we will see. Like i said for ages people have been running scared of calzaghe. Hopkins didnt want it with him. 'Priced' himself out. LOL at you thinking Calzaghe considers Manfredo Jr as a worty opponent. That was a poor attempt to get recognised in america. Lets wait n see for Calzaghe. See if any of your 'top tier' fighters can take him out. He will retire undefeated

[stogz]

Steve Kim and Doug Fisher broke the sh*t down perfectly as far as Taylor and his bullsh*t decisions.....

They said with HBO defense and ring generalship only exist when its Floyd Mayweather. They also pointed out that, according to HBO, its "Mastery" when its Floyd Mayweather...

"....but ring generalship, when applied to a Jermaine Taylor fight, it doesnt exist. "Ring Generalship to HBO's commentators, when a fighter is executing ring generalship against Jermain Taylor, he's running, he's not being aggressive enough, he's running out the clock."



That is B*LLSH*T!!! If whoever said that quote actually watched the PBF/Oscar fight.... they would know that HBO was on Oscar's nuts. They kept saying that Oscar was landing shots eventhough it was clear they were misses.

Again, I don't understand how people believe that HBO has any influence on outcomes of fights. The crowd has more influence over a fight than HBO. There are too many times to count... when an "HBO fighter" lost on HBO.

The crowd, the promoter(s), the advanced age of the judges (how are you judging quick, short punches at 76 yrs old?), have influence on the outcome of the fight. HBO only influences people watching on TV.

[stogz]

ok then we will see. Like i said for ages people have been running scared of calzaghe. Hopkins didnt want it with him. 'Priced' himself out. LOL at you thinking Calzaghe considers Manfredo Jr as a worty opponent. That was a poor attempt to get recognised in america. Lets wait n see for Calzaghe. See if any of your 'top tier' fighters can take him out. He will retire undefeated



Seriously, if you could think without extreme bias, (bias being the #1 skill for becoming a boxing judge in europe), you would see everything I said was right.


Why the hell are guys like RJJ, Hop, Tarver... talking about they can "still" make 168? Why the hell do guys who have proven themselves need to come down? Why the hell would Taylor have to come up to 168? Why would they have to fly to Englang... are you retarded?

Your post doesn't even make any f**kin sense! How can a dude who has fought NOBODY, and has no american TV money, attempt to be recognized on american TV.... by fighting in the U.K.... IN THE U.K. against another dude with no t.v. money??!?!?? If you wanna be recognized in America... you have to come to america. How can you miss such a simple point!?!!? :smh: This guy is sooo f**kin scared of the U.S. He flew over on a friday to do Friday Night Fights... a then flew back home the same f**kin' night. Who da f**k flies from europe to the U.S., just to stay for a few hours?

Hop is a PPV fighter.... how can he price himself out of a fight with a non-ppv fighter? That's like saying Oscar (who has all the pull), priced himself out of a fight with Ishe Smith.

Furthermore... "wait and see" what? What am I supposed to "wait and see"? We've all seen enough... As an old man, Hop fought Taylor (twice), Tarver @ 175, and is about to fight Winky. Does that sound like the actions of a guy who is scared? HE will retire undefeated.... I would retire undefeated to if I had the judges on my payroll... and only fought at home... against guys who are 5'9" and have no experience (amateur or pro).

[FaceMob]

That is B*LLSH*T!!! If whoever said that quote actually watched the PBF/Oscar fight.... they would know that HBO was on Oscar's nuts. They kept saying that Oscar was landing shots eventhough it was clear they were misses.

Again, I don't understand how people believe that HBO has any influence on outcomes of fights. The crowd has more influence over a fight than HBO. There are too many times to count... when an "HBO fighter" lost on HBO.

The crowd, the promoter(s), the advanced age of the judges (how are you judging quick, short punches at 76 yrs old?), have influence on the outcome of the fight. HBO only influences people watching on TV.
Calm down killa, thats one fight with the face of HBO vs Mayweather. Look at all of Mayweathers other fight and who said anything about them directly influencing an outcome? We talkin about their commentary and I do believe their house fighters get the benefit of the doubt in the way they are mearketed and presented to the public. Presentation does sway some bias to the public believe it or not as does commentary especially the casual fan watching a match with Lamply all over the house fighters nuts.

U mean tto tell me all them punches in the Taylor vs Hops fight Lampley was blowing his load about landed? I laugh at u, what about the DLH PBF fight. Mayweather landed some flush shots but more often than not Oscar was catching them punches with his glove yet Mayweather was gettin credit for clean shots.

[stogz]

Calm down killa, thats one fight with the face of HBO vs Mayweather. Look at all of Mayweathers other fight and who said anything about them directly influencing an outcome? We talkin about their commentary and I do believe their house fighters get the benefit of the doubt in the way they are mearketed and presented to the public. Presentation does sway some bias to the public believe it or not as does commentary especially the casual fan watching a match with Lamply all over the house fighters nuts.

U mean tto tell me all them punches in the Taylor vs Hops fight Lampley was blowing his load about landed? I laugh at u, what about the DLH PBF fight. Mayweather landed some flush shots but more often than not Oscar was catching them punches with his glove yet Mayweather was gettin credit for clean shots.



So what r u sayin? PBF wasn't CLEARLY winning all those fights? I've watched the fights...

Hit and don't get hit... or, don't get hit and hit

[Springa]

Hit and don't get hit... or, don't get hit and hit

exactly but these days when boxers do that they wanna say he runnin

example spinx fought exactly how mayweather fought punchin and gettin outta the way yeah mayweather lands better but im talkin styles, and it was so obvious to errbody that mayweather won that fight but did u hear lampley and the rest of them gettin all appauled when one of the judges gave it to oscar like they did at the end of the spinx fight...no talkin about that judge should neva judge another fight

they supposed to be experts but they think they only way a fight is good is if itz straight outta of a rocky movie ,where the fighters just poundin on each other,when any smart fighter will not stand if front of a bigger stronger fighter and just let him pound on him until he crumbles..i cant stand lampley he really sucks

and for spinx to have ran all fight like errbody wanna say how the hell can he throw ova 500 punches damn near 600.obviously he was standin still long enough to throw his punches

[stogz]

Man, Mayweather didn't run... the reason noboby was is soooo adamant about the PBF v. Oscar fight is because Mayweather didn't run. He showed angles, sometimes he traded... many times he camped out in front of Oscar...
You don't land 200 power punches on somene while on the run.


What Mayweather did was ring generalship.... Spinks ran.

[DCReprezenta]

Mayweather used angles on Oscar, pivoted & slid....pure boxing......Spinks was fighting off of his back foot for most of the fight, when Spinks did decide to come forward he had success (enough to win 5 rounds IMO), he did however do a lot of darting in & out.

Much diffrent from how Floyd fought & beat Oscar...Floyd ran from Oscar about as much as Roy ran from Ruiz....consult ya fight library for dat one.

[FaceMob]

So what r u sayin? PBF wasn't CLEARLY winning all those fights? I've watched the fights...

Hit and don't get hit... or, don't get hit and hit

What Im saying is when Mayweather dances all around the ring and plays that hit and dont get hit sh*t the HBO commentators act like he is the second coming of christ and acts as if its the single most masterful display of boxing they have ever seen but when someone like Cory Spinks does the same against Taylor he is running.

[Grisly]

ok then we will see. Like i said for ages people have been running scared of calzaghe. Hopkins didnt want it with him. 'Priced' himself out. LOL at you thinking Calzaghe considers Manfredo Jr as a worty opponent. That was a poor attempt to get recognised in america. Lets wait n see for Calzaghe. See if any of your 'top tier' fighters can take him out. He will retire undefeated

LMAO.
u serious kid?
what honestly have you seen from Calzaghe to make YOU believe he can beat Hopkins?

cus from what i've seen....his hands aren't fast enough....his shots aren't clean enough.....his boxing skills are ehh.....bernard would pick him apart with countershots, and Calzaghe has 0 knockout power, and bernard has a steel chin....soooo....do the math.

Calzaghe can't beat no one.
he's lame.
when he actually steps up and fights Kessler, who is in his weight, and location....then we can talk a bout fighters moving up and down and pay days, and him actually fighting in america.

smh @ these kids.
Hopkins >

[Grisly]

^^^let's be serious here....how many human beings have ever had the handspeed of Meldrick? Meldrick's handspeed were beyond the standard of "fast", they were more like blazing.......Calzaghe has good handspeed tho.

lmao....yea, that is a good point.

but regardless, winky has faster hands and bernard, who is usually a rather reserved fighter is capable of landing quite a number of counter combos against guys who cant manage themselves right in the ring.

i mean, i've watched every one of bernards fights just about, and how he fights to this day still fu*kin amazes me.

his fights start slow, and everyone complains, but he uses them first two rounds or so to figure his opponent out.....see their weaknesses

once he has that, it's over.
his punching placement is spread about...it's already known he's one of the most lethal body punchers in the game....
and i've never ever ever seen hopkins get tired in a fight.
correct me if im wrong, but that guy has no tiring point.
so essentially, he beats on the fighters weakness for about 8-10 rounds, and he goes in for the kill in the last two....sometimes he starts sooner but either way, its the same basic formula.....

his boxing skills are impeccable....you see in each fight how many punches he's constantly dodging.....hes nice on his feet.....has good vision and rarely leaves himself open and vulnerable.....and then when it comes time to go toe to toe, he's faster.....physically stronger as seen in previous fights, especially since the move to light heavyweight.....he practically throws his opponents around the ring.....and he has a chin thats undentable....he's never been on the canvas in his life.....

and with all this considered, and the fact that it's proven Bernard gets better with age....so the "old man" excuse is unapplicable.....just ask Tarver...

i just can't figure out why this guy thinks Calzaghe can beat Hopkins.
then we could do a whole nother breakdown on winky, whos the top middleweight boxer.....bernard i consider all around, cus he can do it all....i just dont see winky with the knockout power....but once again, i see no flaws in eithers game that Calzaghe could possibly take advantage of.

winky would outbox him
bernard would destroy him

[FaceMob]

lmao....yea, that is a good point.

but regardless, winky has faster hands and bernard, who is usually a rather reserved fighter is capable of landing quite a number of counter combos against guys who cant manage themselves right in the ring.

i mean, i've watched every one of bernards fights just about, and how he fights to this day still fu*kin amazes me.

his fights start slow, and everyone complains, but he uses them first two rounds or so to figure his opponent out.....see their weaknesses

once he has that, it's over.
his punching placement is spread about...it's already known he's one of the most lethal body punchers in the game....
and i've never ever ever seen hopkins get tired in a fight.
correct me if im wrong, but that guy has no tiring point.
so essentially, he beats on the fighters weakness for about 8-10 rounds, and he goes in for the kill in the last two....sometimes he starts sooner but either way, its the same basic formula.....

his boxing skills are impeccable....you see in each fight how many punches he's constantly dodging.....hes nice on his feet.....has good vision and rarely leaves himself open and vulnerable.....and then when it comes time to go toe to toe, he's faster.....physically stronger as seen in previous fights, especially since the move to light heavyweight.....he practically throws his opponents around the ring.....and he has a chin thats undentable....he's never been on the canvas in his life.....

and with all this considered, and the fact that it's proven Bernard gets better with age....so the "old man" excuse is unapplicable.....just ask Tarver...

i just can't figure out why this guy thinks Calzaghe can beat Hopkins.
then we could do a whole nother breakdown on winky, whos the top middleweight boxer.....bernard i consider all around, cus he can do it all....i just dont see winky with the knockout power....but once again, i see no flaws in eithers game that Calzaghe could possibly take advantage of.

winky would outbox him
bernard would destroy him

True Story but Calzaghe will not be a cake walk. The guy can bvox and he has a high work rate.

[Springa]

What Im saying is when Mayweather dances all around the ring and plays that hit and dont get hit sh*t the HBO commentators act like he is the second coming of christ and acts as if its the single most masterful display of boxing they have ever seen but when someone like Cory Spinks does the same against Taylor he is running.

thats exactly what im sayin